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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ryan McReynolds: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernd: [qb]And a D-7/K't'inga and holotechnology in the 22nd century are wrong, no matter what kind of excuses are made up for it.[/qb] [/QUOTE] The fact that people are disagreeing with you is evidence that this is purely subjective. I, for instance, find [i]nothing[/i] wrong with it. Is it what I would have preferred? No. Is it what I think "should" be there? No. Is it objectively wrong? No. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernd: [qb]There are loads of good reasons why the Klingons of the 22nd century must have older ships. The argument that Klingons are warriors not engineers is a cheap excuse in my opinion.[/qb][/QUOTE] At least you admit, for once, that it's your opinion and not a matter of fact. There's nothing wrong with having negative opinions about anything, and there is nothing wrong with expressing them. But there is something wrong with claiming that your opinion is more than it actually is. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernd: [qb]Warriors frequently need new weapons. Even the good old bat'leth may have been improved several times by using new alloys, and the same should apply to ship hulls.[/qb][/QUOTE] Nobody suggested that the twenty-second century ship hulls were made of the same alloys as the twenty-fourth. "Way of the Warrior" makes it clear that Klingon ships can have weapons and such in wildly different locations. If that episode showed K't'ingas one hundred years after they were first seen, why is it such a big deal to see a D7 one hundred years before it was last seen (a century before "Prophecy" [VGR]). [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernd: [qb]Okay. I agree. The battlecruiser doesn't violate continuity in a very narrow sense.[/qb][/QUOTE] It doesn't violate continuity in [i]any[/i] sense. There is nothing in previous [i]Star Trek[/i] that indicated that the traditional Klingon battlecruiser did not exist in the twenty-second century. There is also nothing that indicated that the Klingons lacked holotechnology. "Continuity" is, as someone else pointed out, a buzzword at this point, obviously intended to elicit a reaction. If everyone told the truth ("[i]Enterprise[/i] isn't what I wanted") then nobody would complain... so people use the [i]C[/i]-word to make their complaint sound more significant. At least that's my theory... maybe everyone knows of some hidden continuity violations that I missed. No matter what feelings anyone has about the series, [i]Enterprise[/i] doesn't violate continuity, and it doesn't violate canon. [i]Enterprise[/i] can be accused of being unoriginal, derivative, boring, and predictable with lazy, ignorant creators... but accusations of continuity violation are simply false, unless someone has evidence they haven't yet presented. The line between violating continuity and not is simple, and self-explanatory. Klingons riding on pink elephants would not break continuity, it would just be stupid. Nobody would defend it as being logical. Likewise, it is perfectly possible to feel that the Klingons shouldn't use D7s in the twenty-second century but admit that it doesn't violate previously established canon. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernd: [qb]Decide for yourself, but I don't want to see a show in which anything is made possible with silly quirks and far-fetched explanations.[/qb][/QUOTE] Nobody forces you to watch it, and I wouldn't think less of you if you didn't. I watched maybe ten out of the last three seasons of [i]Voyager[/i] because I hated [i]every single character[/i]. :D [QUOTE]Originally posted by Berd: [qb]Although they promised old tech, they needed only four episodes to show us a fully operational TNG holodeck.[/qb][/QUOTE] It did nothing of the sort. They directly said that it couldn't generate interactive people. We never saw anyone break their group up, so we don't know that it can handle the "subdivision" perspective issue. All we know that the Xyrillian holochamber can do it make a credible environmental simulation. Even the [i]Constitution[/i] was intended to be capable of that, as related in [i]The Making of Star Trek[/i] and seen in the animated series. Most importantly, the [i]Enterprise[/i] crew were awed by the technology and [i]didn't get a hold of it[/i], so they are indeed showing "old technology" for the humans. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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