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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nyrath: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by OnToMars: [qb]Point in the First: Isn't all fiction speculative? Point in the Second: Trek diverged from our universe even in the present when (in TrekVerse) a giant nuclear weapons rocket (looking exactly like a Saturn IB) almost wiped out mankind thanks to our friendly neighborhood time traveling Starfleet officers. So has Star Trek been fantasy ever since "Assignment: Earth"? Point in the Third: If these two major species are within twenty light years of each other, shouldn't we have detected them by now by the waste heat produced by their civilization? We've should've seen episodes of "I Love T'Lucy" and "The Ed Sullivok Show" by now. A civilization that's had warp drive for approximately 1,500 years by 2001 AD should've produced some evidence of their existence to us right off the bat. And don't give me any of that, "maybe they covered it up" bullshit. You try to cover up the waste heat produced by an entire interplanetary society. It ain't easy. [/qb][/QUOTE] [1] Depends on the definition and the context of the word [i]speculative[/i]. But science fiction with no science in it is an oxymoron. Without the science to provide structure, it reverts to fantasy. :D [2] There is no correlation between divergent history and a re-arrangement of the structure of the galaxy. In any event, it is a rather drastic solution to the problem. Why not merely postulate that Gene was mistaken, and Vulcan wasn't located at 40 Eridani after all? Since we haven't seen orbiting nuclear platforms nor any hit of the Eugenic wars, Star Trek has entered the genre of "alternate history science fiction". But it does not make it "fantasy". [3] Oh, my, where shall I start? I LOVE LUCY is waste radio waves, not waste heat. SETI studies have shown that TV broadcasts are too faint to be detected by neighboring stars. The best one can hope for is the focused radio noise of the DEW line radars set up to detect Soviet nuclear missile attacks. Waste heat cannot be detected over interstellar distances unless one is dealing with a Dyson sphere or something of that magnitude. It has not been shown that Vulcan has had warp drive for 2000 years, the Romulans could have been kicked out of Vulcan on generation slower than light vessels. If the Vulcans [b]had[/b] invented warp drive technology 2000 years ago, by now they would have ships that would make V'Ger look like a rubber raft. ;) And your points one and three are in contradiction. Either one says it is just all fantasy or one tries a scientific justification. But you cannot have it both ways. :D [/QB][/QUOTE]
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