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[QUOTE]Originally posted by OnToMars: [QB] [QUOTE] [1] Depends on the definition and the context of the word speculative. But science fiction with no science in it is an oxymoron. Without the science to provide structure, it reverts to fantasy. [2] There is no correlation between divergent history and a re-arrangement of the structure of the galaxy. In any event, it is a rather drastic solution to the problem. Why not merely postulate that Gene was mistaken, and Vulcan wasn't located at 40 Eridani after all? Since we haven't seen orbiting nuclear platforms nor any hit of the Eugenic wars, Star Trek has entered the genre of "alternate history science fiction". But it does not make it "fantasy". [3] Oh, my, where shall I start? I LOVE LUCY is waste radio waves, not waste heat. SETI studies have shown that TV broadcasts are too faint to be detected by neighboring stars. The best one can hope for is the focused radio noise of the DEW line radars set up to detect Soviet nuclear missile attacks. Waste heat cannot be detected over interstellar distances unless one is dealing with a Dyson sphere or something of that magnitude. It has not been shown that Vulcan has had warp drive for 2000 years, the Romulans could have been kicked out of Vulcan on generation slower than light vessels. If the Vulcans had invented warp drive technology 2000 years ago, by now they would have ships that would make V'Ger look like a rubber raft. And your points one and three are in contradiction. Either one says it is just all fantasy or one tries a scientific justification. But you cannot have it both ways. [/QUOTE] I don't see how my first and third points are contradictory. With my second point, I was merely pointing out that synching universes is not merely a product of real life catching up to Trek predictions. They did something at the time the episode was produced that was divergent from the 'real' universe. By someone's previously stated definition, that would make it fantasy, which it most definitely is not. Personally, I'm with Ryan (I think it as Ryan, can't be bothered to double check) in saying 'Fuck it' and judging it on its merits as an episode and not its catagory. My third point is still rather scientifically accurate. By 'waste heat', I was using the term as it applies from the Second Law of Thermodynamics and I will admit it was a rather general use of the term. But I used it specifically for generality as I was referring to any waste energy produced by a civilization. Perhaps I should've used 'waste energy' at the time, but it didn't occur to me until just now. Anyway, my point stands that if they were so close, if [i]anybody[/i] were so close, we would've heard 'em by now. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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