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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nyrath the nearly wise: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by OnToMars: [qb] I don't see how my first and third points are contradictory. My third point is still rather scientifically accurate. By 'waste heat', I was using the term as it applies from the Second Law of Thermodynamics <<snip>> Anyway, my point stands that if they were so close, if [i]anybody[/i] were so close, we would've heard 'em by now. [/qb][/QUOTE] Your first point says: All this stellar distance information is pointless because Enterprise is fiction and all fiction is speculative. Your third point says: All this stellar distance information is pointless because it yields results that are scientifically contradictory. My point is that you can use one argument or the other, but not both. The two arguments contradict each other. The third point cannot yield scientifically contradictory results because speculative fiction is pointless, that is, it has no science to yield scientific results. ;) Well, of course you ment [b][i]"waste heat"[/i][/b] in reference to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. How could you not? :confused: However I disagree on it being scientifically accurate. My point still stands: unless the civilization has evolved to a Type Two, it isn't going to be detectable at any range at all. [i](You [b]do[/b] know what a Type two is, don't you?)[/i] Have you read [b][URL=http://www.seti.org/science/compare.html]this?[/URL][/b] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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