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[QUOTE]Originally posted by OnToMars: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nyrath the nearly wise: [qb] Your first point says: All this stellar distance information is pointless because Enterprise is fiction and all fiction is speculative. Your third point says: All this stellar distance information is pointless because it yields results that are scientifically contradictory. My point is that you can use one argument or the other, but not both. The two arguments contradict each other. The third point cannot yield scientifically contradictory results because speculative fiction is pointless, that is, it has no science to yield scientific results. ;) Well, of course you ment [b][i]"waste heat"[/i][/b] in reference to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. How could you not? :confused: However I disagree on it being scientifically accurate. My point still stands: unless the civilization has evolved to a Type Two, it isn't going to be detectable at any range at all. [i](You [b]do[/b] know what a Type two is, don't you?)[/i] Have you read [b][URL=http://www.seti.org/science/compare.html]this?[/URL][/b][/qb][/QUOTE] My first point was that the term 'speculative fiction' was rather redundant. Nothing more. And [i][b]yes[/i][/b] I know what a Type Two Civilization is. No technological society could be maintaining a closed loop system, so the Second Law of Thermodynamics states. Whether, waste heat, greenhouse gases, radio or television waves, there would be some evidence of 'bleed-off' which would be detectable. We've been listenting to the sky for thirty some odd years now (not sure about the number, but the point is made). If Vulcan is seven some light years away and has been technological enough to produce an interstellar traveling offshoot race, then there would've been [i]some[/i] evidence of their existence. Frankly, I've forgotten my original point from way back when, as its almost 3 in the morning and my BAC is not zero, but if Vulcans were there, we would know it - for whatever that's worth. And please don't insult me by implication. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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