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[QUOTE]Originally posted by EdipisReks: [QB] i find myself agreeing with Ryan in everything he has said. man, i used to have these kinds of discussions (against my will, by the way) in high school. i remember that the christians in my physics class would yell and yell, with the teacher silently agreeing with what i said (funny that my best friend, who is a sunni muslim, thought they were all jackasses, even though muslims are typically thought of as being like the taliban and hateful to all thought that is different from their own. he's a pre-med student, by the way, and a firm believe of the [b]FACT[/b] of evolution. evolution can been shown in a laboratory. it might be a theory when applied to the real world, but in and of itself it is indisputable fact). The mormon church was mentioned in the thread (about tithing, i believe), and i have a nice anecdote about the mormon church. my family, on both sides, is mormon. my father was a missionary in australia, and my mother worked in the temple a lot, until both of them realized that the mormon church is just a money grubbing brain wash machine. my grandmother on my father's side just died, and my parents attended the funeral (i didn't go, as it was 1200 miles away and i had a lot of schoolwork). my grandmother, who i only saw like 20 times in my entire life because she was always to busy with the church to give a shit about her family, had married a very devout mormon about 10 years ago (she and her first husband had separated about 35 years ago). she was already very devout, but being with him made her even more so. soon, she didn't do anything unless it involved the temple. she wouldn't visit family if it meant being 20 minutes away from the temple. she made weekly trips from orlando florida to atlanta to visit a large temple that is there. it brainwashed her and took over her life. my father, and his siblings, had fallen out of the church sometime ago, as they mostly couldn't stand the money grubbing and the brainwashing attempts. because of this, my grandmother's last words to her children weren't ones of love. instead they were chastisements about the fact that they didn't devote their lives to the church, and give 10 percent of their incomes to the church, and do everything that the church told them to do. i doubt that most religions teach people to abandon their familes because they don't go to church for 60 hours a week to pray to some carpenter who may or may not have actually esisted and who apparently stole helios's hat so that he could look sharp in all those early portraits. that is what religion is to a lot of people who are part of the more fundamentalist churchs. instead of being a personal thing that comforts and gives strength to those who need an outside source (i'm sorry if that offends anyone), it becomes the driving power of their lives, even if it means abandoning people who they once cared for. i have no doubt that the mormon church would be like the taliban if they had the chance. already, the mormon's don't allow their followers to imbide alchohol of caffeine, and they chastise those who live in their community without sharing the dogma. i already had strong beliefs about the corrupting affect that religions can have (note the word "can") but needless to say this cemented it in my mind. just thought you might like to know. --jacob [/QB][/QUOTE]
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