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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Raw Cadet: [QB] Ryan, I think we probably agree on more than we disagree, at least in terms of using reason to come to decisions and determine "morality." Of course, the one fundamental disagreement (I believe in God, you do not) is a pretty big one ;) . Something that was hinted at in your post, that I do not think was meant to be offensive, is that you perhaps think humanity's progress would march forward without the old ball-and-chain of religion holding it back. I think that is both true and false. Certainly, in the past, the notion was true. My own religion, back when it "ruled the world" (ah, the glory (or should I say gory?) days) was a notable offender. Today, however, I think any "inhibiting morals" of religions are eventually overridden by the "morals" of the religion most people follow: greed. I and the College of Cardinals can argue till we are blue in the face that cloning and destroying embryos is wrong, but as soon as the Republican party realizes there is big money to be had in stem-cell research it will change it's tune (and thus, stem-cell research will move forward). "We" may slow it down a bit, but, frankly (and in certain issues, sadly (to me)), religion will never halt "progress" where money is to be made (and, in this particular issue, lives could be saved). To put a spin on what religion is doing on the stem-cell research issue: if one grants that research will progress, despite religion's "best efforts," at least religion is keeping progress at a "reasonable pace," as, perhaps, it should be with such a delicate issue (I assume cloning is a "delicate issue" to all people; certain ethics must be upheld lest science really produces a Khan). Now, to actually state something relating to the original topic, I find it interesting that in the Star Trek universe, humanity is now portrayed as progressing all the way to the stars, even with religion. In fact, the only ones holding humanity back were a people who did not believe in things "supernatural," and devoted themselves entirely to logic and reason ;) . (One final note: I hope I am evidence that not all religious are politically conservative idealogues, awash in their own superiority and damning people right and left.) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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