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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Raw Cadet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by EdipisReks: [qb][b]Ryan[/b], thanks for making my argument better than i can. it's been a long time since i have studied biology, etc. [b]Omega[/b] just proves even more thoroughly that it doesn't matter what you tell a creationist, they will always harp on the same points (even when they are dismissed logically) and will always stick with what they believe. that is the fundamental difference between those who believe in dogma and those who believe in science: the followers of science admit that they are wrong when they are wrong about something. it is the fundamental part of believing in science. instead of admitting faults, creationists invent far fetched theories to explain away problems (such as "that fossil is obviously a hoax [since it disagrees with my dogma]").[/qb][/QUOTE] I take issue with what you posted. I am a creationist, insomuch that I believe God "created" the universe. Now, I am not sure how he created it, though the "Big Bang" theory sounds reasonable enough. Likewise, I do not know how man reached his present form but, as I posted before, my own Church grants that the theory of evolution is not contrary to its theology. Please be careful when labeling entire groups of people. To dismiss all "creationists" as ignorant idiots is no better than literal creationists who condemn all scientists to hell. As for the holiday discussion, I do not think Christmas decorations are necessarily indicative of honoring the religious aspects of the holiday. I believe I once read that many of our Christmas "traditions" were born in Victorian England. Perhaps the "traditions" were kept, but the religious aspect of the holiday was dispensed with. Why would they celebrate such a holiday? Well, as others have already pointed out, the winter solstice (?) has been a popular event to celebrate for thousands of years. Of course, given the fact that "Enterprise" establishes the survival of religion into the 22nd century (or does it?), perhaps Picard's faux family really was celebrating Christian Christmas. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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