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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: [QB] I'm not saying that the Klingons aren't hostile. But I [b]am[/b] saying that they aren't hostile [b]enough[/b]. If the first contact was going to result in "decades of warfare," one should expect something a that's at least "disastrous." I would hardly call the Klingon first contact a disaster. Sure, it was a messy mission, but Archer was quite successful in returning Klaang to the Klingon Empire and providing crucial information to the High Council. His mission was accomplished, and he left Qo'noS peacefully. [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Malnurtured Snay[/b]: You forget, of course, of an old Klingon proverb. "Revenge is a dish best served cold." They've got a potentially dangerous enemy -- would it not make more sense to learn as much as possible about this new threat before striking a death blow? Klingons aren't stupid.[/QUOTE] That doesn't mean they can't start with killing the puny Human who insulted their honor or violated their customs or whatever. Klingons aren't subtle. They certainly can carry a grudge, but they don't delay vengeance. [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Malnurtured Snay[/b]: Then for whatever reason, Picard lied or mangled the actuality of the events.[/QUOTE] Oh, wonderful, now we're accusing one of the Federation's model captains and diplomats of lying to a planetary executive during First Contact negotiations... [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]TSN[/b]: I didn't see any. All I saw was an assertion that, if the Klingons were angry enough to make war, they would have done it immediately. But that has nothing to do w/ anything. The Klingons aren't mad enough to start a war. But they do dislike humans now. Even if they don't have a reason to go to war at the moment, they'll be more prone to do so in the future.[/QUOTE] Gee, you're not even meeting my argument head-on, you're just dismissing it by saying that there's no evidence. Of course there's no evidence! This is all a matter of interpretation of events based on what we know of established Trek history. By your own statement quoted above, the first contact seen in "Broken Bow" didn't lead to war, but only established unfriendly relations. Therefore, the first contact incident did not cause the war. � NO disaster at first contact � NO war between Earth and Qo'noS Here's another aspect of the quote from Picard that no one's looked at: [QUOTE]"It was decided then that we must do surveillance before making contact."[/QUOTE] I see absolutely no Prime Directive issues that could be relevant to the first contact as presented in "Broken Bow." And there's no reason that surveillance would have helped the situation; Archer and the admirals already had the information they needed from the Vulcans! It's apparent that the Klingon encounter had no effect on contact protocols later on. As far as Archer's concerned, everything went just fine. (Relating to meeting the Klingons, anyway.) Look beyond the facts presented. Speaking as a history student who's used to looking at causes and effects, I do not see the events producing the result that we're supposed to get. Of course, I prefer to think of ENT as existing in an alternate timeline... [/QB][/QUOTE]
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