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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [QB] TWOK-TFF is a headache. I don't know why the Okudas placed it in 2285, especially since the underlying principle they mostly worked from is that figures as spoken by the characters are exact and not rounded off. Maybe it was the 2283 date on the Romulan Ale bottle, which shouldn't be a concern at all because (a) McCoy's "it takes the stuff a while to ferment" seems to be sarcastic, (b) there's no reason it has to be an Earth year or a year at all and not, say, a stardate. But whatever. The problem is, 2285 was the "official" reference point for TWOK that was used by Ronald D. Moore when writing [i][b]Generations[/i][/b]. Kirk states that the scene at his cabin in the Nexus just before he was "going back to Starfleet" is "9 years ago," from the viewpoint of it being 2293. So TWOK can't take place any earlier than 2284, because obviously he was already back in Starfleet at that time and didn't leave again. There's also a problem with TFF: Caithlin Dar says the Romulans, Klingons, and Terrans established Nimbus III "20 years ago." This needn't be a precise figure, but in TOS season 1 (commonly dated as 2266-67) the Romulans hadn't been heard from for a century before "Balance Of Terror" and as late as season three (and TAS) the Federation was still in open conflict with them, so even 2284-85 (i.e., same year as TWOK) is too early, let alone 2283. I would argue also that there's no reason it needs to take place in the same year as TWOK-TVH anyway, as the [i]Enterprise[/i]-A has clearly been undergoing an extensive amount of work at the beginning of TFF, the bridge is different, etc. Kirk says he gave Scotty three weeks to get the ship operational but we don't know exactly how long it took for the ship's issues to present themselves or whatever else happened after the final scene of TVH, where everythng seemed to be working fine. All this plus Gillian Taylor's statement that she had "300 years of catch-up learning to do" at the end of TVH is probably what led the Okudas to place TWOK and TSFS in 2285, TVH in 2286, and TFF in 2287, but things have to be fudged a little any way you slice it. The way I look at it, "9 years" from GEN is the least fudge-able because it's the most specific figure (no one rounds to 9) and we have the most concrete dates for that film's 23rd century events courtesy of it being "78 years" (another non-rounded figure) prior to 2371. TWOK's "15 years" is slightly more fudgeable, as someone might realistically say 15 when it's actually 16, etc. Same with TFF's "20 years." (But again, the later we can fudge that one the better because of the Romulan thing.) TVH's "300 years" is no problem at all given its roughness and the casual context in which the remark was made. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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