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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [QB] I'm not quite sure what you're saying. He's wearing exactly what he was wearing when he was swept into the Nexus, just as Picard is. Neither's attire changes when they shift locations and times. It shouldn't be taken as an indication of his rank in 2284. The point is that 2293 minus 9 years is 2284 and this has to be before TWOK, because he doesn't leave Starfleet after that. TWOK is when he rediscovers his "first best destiny" as a starship captain. It would make absolutely no sense after getting exactly what he always really wanted (command of the [i]Enterprise[/i]) at the end of TVH for him to then leave Starfleet. He was [i]happy[/i] to be demoted because he was never happy as an Admiral anyway. So TWOK can be [i]no earlier[/i] than 2284, and it's probably 2285 since it takes place in March (Kirk's birthday) and that's pretty early in the year and it seems like he's been living in San Francisco and evaluating cadets and such, not like he just got back. My personal rationalization for why TWOK is actually 18 years after "Space Seed" is that Kirk (who fortunately is IIRC the only one who says "15 years" in the actual film) looks on his five-year mission as a single block of time, so it's 15 years after the end of the mission. TSFS does follow [i]nearly[/i] straight on from TWOK, but we don't know exactly how long that is (it could be weeks or even months taking into account limping home while repairing the battle damage, transferring David and Saavik to the [i]Grissom[/i] and dropping Carol wherever, the Federation cordoning off Genesis, etc.) and we also don't know how long they're on Earth before stealing the ship. TVH is three months after the end of TSFS. TUC would indeed be earlier the same year as GEN (2293, at least the middle part which takes place two months after the Praxis incident) because at the trial McCoy says he's been ship's surgeon on the [i]Enterprise[/i] for 27 years. (He replaced Dr. Mark Piper in 2266.) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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