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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernd: [QB] Identity Crisis: There are thousands of conjectural designs in the web, and I think I have seen at least half a dozen for each of the ship classes in question, some of them carefully drawn, some of them extremely bizarre and inconsistent cut-and-paste designs. The LUG ships belong to the category of non-canon ships too. You're right that the LUG ships will get more attention, after all they're printed in a book. However, if I don't like the designs, because they're inconsistent or just ugly, there's no reason to "believe" they "really" exist. In this respect theLUG ships can't be my first choice. I have a ship list similar to yours, and I would not adopt any non-canon design (Let's talk about the Niagara later, Frank). I only suggested some possible designs for the ships for which definitely no official model exists. What I meant by "use them" was taking them as a kind of place-holder. This could have been a misunderstanding since you were talking about the RPG. My idea is that good designs instead of cut-and-paste graphics and the ugly (sorry) LUG designs could be established among fans, and maybe this *expert* forum is the right place to start such an effort. The descriptions are not meant to be taken literally, they just should give an impression on how the ships could look like. After all, it was an idea to start a discussion. I didn't mean to spoil your fun with the RPG, and I agree that good specs are more important in this case. BTW: I'm sure there are a lot of people who have a talent to conceive specs and draw the ships as well. Lindsly: I agree that there are a lot of signs the registries are not necessarily chronological. Still, there must be some flaw in the launch dates, I can't judge it right now. Identity Crisis: I agree that Starfleet and civilian ships of the same type may have different class designations, or the same class name may be used for different designs. The latter must apply to the Antares class, since I can't believe Starfleet uses rusty, dirty and slow ships like the civilian Antares class that was featured several times in TNG (Batris, Bajoran non-warp transport, ship to rendez-vous with the Warbird in "Face of the Enemy"). The Starfleet Antares class has to be more powerful, whether it is a supply vessel or not. Basically, I have no objection against the idea the Starfleet Antares class is indeed the same class as the Charlie X Antares. Maybe the ships have been significantly upgraded. Frank: I don't really care about civilian ship designations, because we know nothing about a naming system, if there's one at all. So anything could be possible. We should also take into account that some ship designs are used by several alien civilizations. It is natural that every race would use names of their own, while the Starfleet designation would always be Antares or Deneva, and would be translated as such by the universal translators in our TV sets. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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