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[QUOTE]Originally posted by AndrewR: [QB] I gather we are talking about Federation ships, that have appeared new in TNG movies, because ships that have appeared new in TOS movies - have been perfect examples of Federation ships. So we have: The Lakul The uprated Excelsior the armagosa observatory the akira the sabre the norway the steamrunner the phoenix the captain's yacht - E-E version the new shuttle Data's scout the holodeck ship I always thought the Lakul was an alien ship the Excelsior looks fine - since it is mostly the Nilo Rodis ship from III the observatory - looks... fine - a generic observatory. The Akira - radical, but Federation-y. Overboard on the armament? The Sabre - looks to me like the design was pinched from Rick Sternbach's idea for a Vulcan ship as seen in "The Continuing Mission" and "The making of DS9" The Steamrunner and the Norway - well, we really haven't seen much of them, I think the whole 'problem' with the FC ships - is that they are too angular and don't fit - ANYWHERE with what has come before. They are too... alien. Non-trekkian. Where as TNG ship design was based on Gene's idea of "Technology Unchained" where you could trace the design origin between ships - especially the Enterprises. The Insurrection ships just became woeful. Wierd colouring, trying to be TOO streamlined for Trek ships. I hope they get someone else for the Effects in this new movie. The Insurrection effects were disgusting. The Bak'u planet was uninspiring. AND the worst part were the 'atmosphere' effects - where the matting of the drones and the shuttles was really - crappy. It looked very fake. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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