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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Timo: [QB] Contrary to some earlier comments, I see no problem in ST2 letting Kirk reach Regula I on impulse. After all, that's where he was heading in the first place, when at warp - there's nothing to say he did not already reach the star system Regula was in when he ran into the Reliant. (And that *would* be the most logical place for Khan to arrange the rendezvous - he would not know where Kirk was coming from and when, but he would know that Kirk would come to this specific system eventually!) Nor do I think that the ST5 idea of having Nimbus III within a day or two from Earth is objectionable at all, even at Okudaic warp speeds. It's just the galactic core thing that sounds dubious - but then again, everybody was under the spell of a madman at that point, or humoring the said madman, so we might not get entirely truthful statements from that movie. Bajor being less than a week away from Earth also fits the Okudaic bill - it's the earlier definitions of "frontier" that jar against Okudaic speeds and throw off our estimates. As for TNG contradicting the TNG scale, sure. It's just that in some episodes, it also supports the scale, at least roughly. Both TNG and ENT would seem to work from the premise that there exists a scale, and that speed/distance/travel time references can be made to fit that scale [i]unless the carrying of the plot forbids this[/i]. And when the plot requires the scale to be ignored, then we have to start speaking warp highways or time dilation or stardate oddities or deliberately falsified logs or whatever floats our boats. In contrast, TOS and DS9 never really made the pretense that a warp scale would exist. VOY sometimes toyed with the idea, mainly in the basic premise of a seven-decade travel time, but usually ignored it. ENT seems to care, enough to give us "Neptune and back", even though it also gives us an immediate contradiction. Timo Saloniemi [/QB][/QUOTE]
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