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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [QB] Various comments and observations: 1. I like the 120 meter Defiant. It makes little sense for the tough little ship to be just a few hairs shy of a Miranda in size. 2. Captain Mike's pic of a double-windowed corridor is hysterical. 3. Much as I'm loathe to admit it, the scaling against the tractored runabout is going to end up problematic at best. Without knowing the distance to the Defiant, we cannot know her size. And we cannot know her distance without first knowing her size. 4. The scaling against the escape pods has been performed against the hull plate which covers them. However, given the variability of Defiant models and the apparent discrepancy of the length of those plates on the screencap vs. the model shot, I do not see how one can accept that scaling. Note, if you will, that the plates on the Valiant have a forward point occurring well in front of the round glowy-thingy, and end at a point approximately midway along the second. The same is not seen in the model, whether you assume that the Valiant's forwardmost glowy-thingy is the first or the second. 5. In the Nebula pic, the station is approximately three (2.961) times the width of the Nebula saucer, including accounting for Pythagoras, but not accounting for the multiple-hundred-meter distance difference. The station would thus be 1382 meters wide at absolute minimum, and significantly more (1450-1500m) if we account for the additional distance from the camera to the station's centerline from the station's edge (i.e. at least 650 meters). A 1350 meter station, on the other hand, would suggest a smaller Nebula (or trick of the angles), in the neighborhood of 425 meters of width as observed. A solution is to scale against the Excelsior, which is nearer the station centerline and also a better-known quantity than the station itself. If an Excelsior saucer is 186 meters wide, then the station (which is 5.57 times wider in the image) would be 1036 meters in width. The Nebula is misscaled. This fits well within my opinion that Stipes is a crack-smoker, but that's not important right now. If we attempt to scale the Defiant against the station or Excelsior (notwithstanding the distance issue regarding centerlines), we arrive at a figure of roughly 147 meters. Accounting for the distance issue would lessen that figure considerably, suggesting that 147 meters is a high-end value in that scene. 6. In regards to the other Excelsior comparison, I shall remain silent since it has been far too long since I saw the scene in motion, and thus cannot reliably comment on the positions involved. If one were to adjust the figures in the table accordingly, throwing out the First Contact gaffe, the runabout comparison, and adjusting the Nebula comparison to the high-end 147 meters, the average of what remains would work out to: 126.1 meters. EDIT: If one includes the escape pods (which were not in the table), the figure is 131 meters average . . . but I'm not fond of the escape pod scaling. At any rate, we're within a relatively comfortable margin of error which would leave the Defiant as 120 meters. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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