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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: [QB] Two things that are not entirely clear when I think about ships to include in my shiplist (and more important, Mim's shiplist, since he asked for some non-canon 'stuffing'): 1.) The game 'DS9:The Fallen' introduced the starship Ulysses, an old Miranda, formerly commanded by Admiral Ross and crashed some 15 years ago on a planet. This game-appearance doesn't make anything canon, but the cover-art of the box may do: The art shows a crashed Miranda, and accidentially I found exactly this cover art while surfing the net. It was done by someone who works for Foundation. So since many accept the information the Spotter gives as somehow 'official', and this could easily be the actual filming model, [i]and[/i] we also accept ships like the Trinculo which never appeared on-screen as canon stuff, what about this ship? http://www.west.net/~brandonm/relsmp.jpg 2.) Okuda and Sternbach are credited for writing the crew biographies for the 'game' 'Starship Creator'. The game gives some new information on characters [/i]and[i] some ships, too. Mostly these are former position listings or the ships are mentioned in the text, but we also accept Okudagrams and the Encyclopedia as official, and these thexts are somehow as official, in my opinion. Basically, we have some sort of problem here; we accept everything that's written in Tech-Manuals and that's said on-screen and that appeared on-screen, but we forget that some of these games can be as official; they are checked by Paramount, don't violate continuity or something and sometimes even people we respect as 'lords of canon' helped developing them. So what's our status? Can we find some sort of consensus here? (I know this would be the first time, but I'm really interested in hearing some opinions on the two points mentioned above.) [Oh, and for your information, I had some severe computer problems over the last 48 hours, had to kill my HD and completely reinstall everything, but I'm back and on-line again. What I want to say is: the Norway will arive soon, and some other stuff I'm currently working on. :) ] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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