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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dax: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by AndrewR: [qb]Dax Said: "As for the computer generated thing, remember that both the Ent-E and the Jemmy battle cruiser were originally built as physical miniatures, yet they are still distinctive Eaves designs." Yes, well maybe that is the problem. Those two ships don't look HALF bad (Not Fantasmagorical but not bad) Maybe they should be designed with "If it can't be built as a physical model, then it shouldn't be a design" I.e. All those pointy things that have no real need to be on there (on the Reman ship)... Like WTF? Same with some of those things on the new Romulan ships - like the pods near the nacelles - things are put there cause they might look 'cool' but they make it hard to picture the ship being really believable - i.e. existing physically.[/qb][/QUOTE]I see merit in the "if it can't be built physically then it shouldn't be a design" philosophy but it has limits. For instance, just because the Valdore possibly couldn't be built as a 4' miniature it doesn't necessarily mean it couldn't be built as a 4000' real ship (in the 24th century anyway). And we can't talk about the functionality of the Valdore nacelles/pods when we haven't seen the ship in action. I can't comment on the Reman ship at all as I haven't seen a good picture of it. [QUOTE][qb]Timo said: "But Sternbach is also functional and utilitarian, which the original Jeffries and Chang and Probert and Minor were, and which Eaves isn't." Well that's what I like about their designs (I don't believe they are BORING) They are more REALISTIC. As I said earlier I could picture being in a work bee outside a nacelle of a Galaxy Class ship but, I really could see myself approaching that new Romulan ship's nacelles... they whole thing looks... fake.[/qb][/QUOTE]For one thing, I only said I found Sternbach's designs boring, not Probert and the others. I don't have any problem with the Galaxy or D'deridex-class (in fact they're a couple of my all time favourites). Secondly, the Valdore looks fake because it is. Same as how the CGI Galaxy, D'deridex, Sovereign, and all other CGI models look fake. [QUOTE][qb]Functional - yes. Things on most of the Trek ships have reasons, they haven't had things stuck on them just to make the ship look 'cool' or 'streamlined' etc.[/qb][/QUOTE]I can agree that Eaves' designs can be lacking, but not devoid, of functionality. But I'd personally much rather have that than ship designs that are so uninspiring that seeing them makes me feel like taking a nap. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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