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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Timo: [QB] To return to this Type 9 vs Type 12 thing once more: I just plain can't find any reference in onscreen VOY to a connection between Type 9 and the speedboat. Sure, "Resolutions" mentions that the crew left a Type 9 for Janeway and Chakotay to use, but this craft is never seen and could just as easily be a heavy long-range cargo shuttle not unlike the TNG TM one. Which would probably even make good sense - one of those could easily carry the stasis pods and the prefab building, while a speedboat would get really cramped. And going through the pain that is "Threshold" didn't turn up any Type 9 references. I'd need more exact instructions to spot those. From season 5 on, the shuttles became "Class 2", so Type 9 references would have to come from seasons 3-4 primarily - season 2 didn't feature the shuttle type beyond "Threshold" and "Basics". So where to hunt for the references? "The Swarm"? "Future's End"? "Coda" or "Unity"? (But those were type 8, right?) "Day of Honor"? "The Raven"? "Mortal Coil"? "Hunters"? "Demon"? (Type 6 there only) Those are basically the only shuttle-featuring eps there, right? If the speedboat was Type 12, then we could more easily pretend the numbers are more or less chronological. Which brings me to another issue: IMHO, it's a good idea to steer clear of calling the TOS shuttle Type 1. Virtually nothing Kirk did, said or possessed was explicitly considered "the first of its kind". The hardware he operated wasn't experimental or roundbreaking (save for M-5). I'd assume his shuttles to have been the 8th such type in Starfleet use or something. So if we want to run a chronological list of types from 1 to 12, Type 4 probably ought to be somewhere in the mid-24th century, rather than apply to the ST5 shuttle. TOS, TAS and TOS movie era classification systems ought to run separately, perhaps based on the "Class F" and "Class S" designations we hear. Timo Saloniemi [/QB][/QUOTE]
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