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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Phoenix: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Futurama Guy: [qb] Okay, much of this was answered while my post was in editing, but either way... [QUOTE]Originally posted by Phoenix: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Maybe Starship Class means the same as Runabout Class does.[/qb][/QUOTE]I can't say I have ever heard anyone say "Runabout Class" before.[/QUOTE]Rewatch the DS9 pilot and you will see the light as Sisko mentioned it there, my resource deficient friend... [QUOTE]Originally posted by Phoenix: [qb] Well for one, the system which you are referring was not designed until the Excelsior came around. It does not make sense to have "Starship Class" meaning anything other than "Of the same design as a ship called Starship", as it has meant nothing else in any other Star Trek series, and means nothing else now. Archer calls his ship a "starship". Picard calls his ship a "starship". Why, between these two time periods, would SF decide that only one design of ship is in fact a "starship"? So on the one hand it's a generic term for pretty much anything, and on the other it's a specific designation for a type of ship (Constitution Class)? Surely it can't be both? If it's generic in ENT and TNG, why would it be different in TOS? [/qb][/QUOTE]You absolutely missed the point of what I said. Why would they have a "Starship Class"...after the term was already used to identify the NX and later the Galaxy Class??? Does it then mean that those ships, too, are of the "Starship Class" as well?? A starship is a starship and the term "Starship class" defines the generic term for what it is, a starship. Much like the Runabout Class is a Runabout in broad, generic terms - but a Danube Class in more specific terms. Sisko never said: "Lets go take a Danube to Bajor"...Even though we have heard Picard say "This is the Federation Starship Enterprise". Hell for that matter, when he hailed the Enterprise-C he refrained from naming his ship specifically, but still managed to say: "This is Captain Jean-Luc Picard from the Federation Starship...a Federation Starship..." again implying the term as a generic identification to 'any ship of the stars', until proved otherwise. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Phoenix: [qb] If it means all spacegoing vessels, why, when he scanned the Constellation, didn't Spock say "its a Constitution", so Kirk would know it wasn't another type of "starship", like a Hermes or Ptolemy? [/qb][/QUOTE]Well, it could have been all in the writing (remember how everyone thought of the existance of the "Discovery" because of the writing??). Otherwise, I believe I answered that when I said something like: "The E-D was the "Federation Starship Enterprise", implying that [b]"Starship" is a generic term for pretty much anything, a term coined when the original Enterprise was conceived, and later <u>honed</u> once the number of classes designed began to inflate. [/b] A Galaxy Class surely isnt a "Starship Class" and the NX isnt a "STarship Class" yet they were called a 'starship', much the same the Original Enterprise was called a starship. It makes even less sense to designate a "Starship Class" to a design when the term is continued to be associated with other non-Constitution Class ships, both before and after the ship was designed. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Phoenix: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Futurama Guy: [qb] What makes the Connie any more of a "Starship" than the NX? Didn't Archer call his ship a "starship" at one point or another?[/qb][/QUOTE]That's kind of the point. [/qb][/QUOTE]Then you just contradicted yourself. [/qb][/QUOTE]1) I don't see how not having watched the one particular episode in which this term occurs makes me resource deficient. 2) Starship Class does not "define the generic term for what it is, a starship". The word "Starship" does that. Ignoring the "Runabout Class" (the Danube Class Runabout is the only Class of Runabout, and so it could be called the only Runabout Class - the same is not true of the Connie), have you ever heard anything like "freighter class", "aircraft carrier class", "frigate class", or "starship class" used in dialogue in ST or in real life? As I have said about a billion times, X Class means one thing, and one thing only - the class of ships of which X was the first. 3) No, a Galaxy Class isn't a Starship Class, and neither is an NX Class, but the Enterprise is, because it was written on the dedication plaque. Do you actually think I just made up the term because someone called the Enterprise a Starship? Starship Class is associated with nothing else. No other ship we have seen has been called it. Starship, yes, Starship Class, no. They are different things. 4) No I didn't. There is nothing that makes the NCC-1701 more of a Starship than the NX-01. However, it is a Starship Class because the first ship was the USS Starship. The very fact that all ships are Starships, and yet only one type is Starship Class, means that Starship Class cannot just mean Starship. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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