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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Futurama Guy: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernd: [qb] Regarding the Picard/Dougherty conversation once again, with what we know from Enterprise, could the "bunch of thugs" still refer to the Romulans? The visual evidence of all the Romulan power in "Minefield" clearly supersedes this remark. The assertion that they didn't have warp drive would be just like naming a whole civilization "thugs" -- propaganda. I wonder if Starfleet's history lessons are that bad. [/qb][/QUOTE]Agreed, the quote, specifically from [i]Insurrection[/i] were: [QUOTE] PICARD Our "partners" are nothing more than petty thugs. DOUGHERTY (dismissing that) On Earth, petroleum once turned petty thugs into world leaders. Warp drive transformed a bunch of Romulan thugs into an empire. We can handle the Son'a, I'm not worried about that... PICARD Someone probably said the same thing about the Romulans a century ago. [/QUOTE]...which would seem to answer your 'thug' question. As far as anything else in question...just because Picard said "a century ago" in a conversation doesnt mean that that was when they got it, especially when he so vaguely puts it as "someone probably said"... I think if you look at the quote again, Picard may simply be referring to the fact that the Romulans were not much of a threat...even with warp drive until about a century ago...when all of the events that took place between TOS and the Tomed Incident occured, a period when the Romulans became obviously more aggressive. They very well could have had warp drive all along, it just seems that no one was really concerned (possibly because of a Treaty) with those 'petty thugs' until they started to once again become a threat in the mid/late-23rd century. Also, hasn't this topic been discussed to death yet? Considering how much we have talked about this in the last few months ( [URL=http://flare.solareclipse.net/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=002117;p=1]February[/URL] ) and years ( [URL=http://flare.solareclipse.net/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=002117;p=1]March '99[/URL] )...( [URL=http://flare.solareclipse.net/cgi2/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000202;p=3]October '99[/URL] )...( [URL=http://flare.solareclipse.net/cgi2/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000323]March '00[/URL] )...([URL=http://flare.solareclipse.net/cgi2/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=001526]December '01[/URL])...among many many more....wouldn't it just be easier to read over those again, rather than cough up the same phlegm like this every few months?? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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