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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Futurama Guy: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by machf: [qb] Doesn't usually "midshipman" refer to, precisely, a cadet on a training cruise? That would be a rank (below ensign, as he/she hasn't become a commissioned officer yet), as opposed to a position. With "1st class" meaning he's in his last year at the academy. [/qb][/QUOTE]Exactly. Midshipman (TOS) - US Naval designation for 'trainees'. Cadet (TNG) - US Air Force designation for 'trainees'. Seemingly TOS had it right all along, because midshipman is consistant with the ensign through commodore to admiral designation corresponding to Naval tradition. Then again we have the problem with Colonel West, whose rank of "colonel" is the US Air Force equilivent of the US Navy Captain. Finally, reviewing some old Royal/US Navy traditions, with regards to Kirk and Saavik being Lieutenants in the Academy...there is the following example: [i]"Commissions to lieutenant were limited in the early navy, and a [midshipman] candidate had to wait until vacancies occured. To allow midshipmen to exercise more authority, those who had passed their examinations for lieutenant[/i] [at that time the lowest commissioned rank][i] were called 'passed midshipmen', and could serve as officers in the fleet until a lieutenant's (or, later, master's) vacancy opened. This title disappeared when the rank of ensign was authorized in 1862."[/i] With that in mind, I have a [i]theory[/i]. [b]Assuming[/b] that both Kirk and Saavik were in the 'command program' and with 250 years of rank tweaking yet to come (and considering how much rank has changed in the last 150 years) perhaps cadets/midshipmen attending 'Command School' were given the Trek/Starfleet equivelant to 'passed midshipmen' and given the rank of Lieutenant while still in the Academy or still attending Command School. Having the rank Ensign in there kind of confuses the issue some, but at least TOS didn't utilize the Lt(j.g.) rank, or did they? Anyway, thats my take on it. I guess you just have to keep in mind that 250 years of change 'yet to come' could still play a major role in what ranks an imaginary space organization may or may not use. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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