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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MarianLH: [QB] First, apologies for my lately-come response. My internet connection got whacked yesterday morning. Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [QUOTE][i] Where is this idea that Mitchell would be older than Kirk coming from? What ever suggested it, even discounting the age on his file? :confused: Gary Lockwood is younger than William Shatner by six years. [/i][/QUOTE]From the novel, as I said. Age is never specifically mentioned, but Mitchell repeatedly addresses Kirk as "kid," and although they are depicted as close friends rather than mentor/student, Mitchell is portrayed as being the more mature and wiser of the two, and Kirk is more often taking Mitchell's advice than the reverse. And Lee Kelso is a closet Egyptologist. :) [QUOTE][i]Hope I haven't seemed overly confrontational in this post. :) [/i][/QUOTE]Not at all. I just disagree with you. :) Re Voyager, my reasoning goes something like this: [list] [*]P1: Factoid from Voyager contradicts something I like. [*]P2: Voyager sucked. [*]C : Voyager factoid can be ignored. [/list] It may not be deductively valid, but it works for me. And as for novels vs. TV as source material, I assume you don't favour the latter because you believe TV is an inherently superior medium, but rather aired episodes have some official stamp of approval that novels do not. I can't agree with this, because it's based on the assumption that TPTB know better than I do what is or is not a good addition to the Star Trek universe, and this is patently untrue. :D Kidding aside, I do believe in evaluating contraditing ideas solely on merit, regardless of source. But that's my thing. By sharing my opinions I'm not trying to force them on anyone else, but rather offering them for others to use if they like, just as I swipe other peoples' ideas when I like them. Like the ideas, I mean, not the people. Not that I necessarily don't like the people. But this is getting silly. I'll shut up now. Originally posted by Timo: [QUOTE][i]As regards the ST2 Starfleet personnel, I think we should note that even though this was a training cruise, not everybody aboard would be a rookie! When Kirk asks Scotty whether his "cadets" could handle a little training cruise, he omits the fact that perhaps 80% of the crew is actually "veteran" already.[/i][/QUOTE]When I say, "I'll shut up now," of course what I mean is, "I'll start talking about something else." :) On what do you base the idea that the [i]Enterprise[/i] had a full regular crew on board? My impression was always that she had had been assigned to the Academy as a training ship, and had only a skeleton crew of regulars on board to train the cadets. Remeber McCoy's line about putting an experienced crew back on the [i]Enterprise[/i]? Most of the crew in the background are wearing training uniforms. (A nice detail in the "Khan shoots up the engine room" scene is that all the people grabbing oxygen masks are experienced crewmen.) [QUOTE][i] And Peter Preston need not be a trainee at all. [SNIP] [/i][/QUOTE]Way to think outside the box. :) But I can't agree. #1, he's wearing a trainee uniform. Note the red collar. And #2, "engineer's mate" is usually an enlisted man's job (as Manticore pointed out). Besides, being the green as hell newb is the whole point of his role in the film. Along with Saavik, he puts a face on Spock's "trainee crew," who would otherwise be nameless extras in the background, ignored by the audience except as window dressing for the familiar main characters. IHMO, the "midshipman" reference is the screw up. He's an enlisted trainee on his first cruise. Marian [/QB][/QUOTE]
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