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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [qb] Shut the fuck up, you guys. Apart from a few brief moments of excess, STV was great and managed to re-capture the spirit of TOS better than any of the other films. Give me that over the bloated, plot-hole-ridden, politically-pretentious [i]Undiscovered Country[/i] or the mindless space battles of [i]Nemesis[/i] any day. [/qb][/QUOTE]I thought [b]I[/b] was the only one with those gripes about STVI! Spock's entire "they've depleted their ozone layer" on ONE planet, so they're INTERSTELLAR EMPIRE is DOOMED bit was just...dumb. No one using phasers is a personal complaint of mine as well. As is the waaay overboard Naval comparisons: like "turn her into the wave!"- um.....the ship can travel faster than light, the (two dimensional!) "wave" can [i]not[/i], so why not just go to warp? Why have the federation starships all adopted 20th century military submarine decor and policies when things are obviously more relaxed (and spacious!) in TOS...hell- in TMP!? [QUOTE][qb] Why the hell does everyone like to bitch about this film, anyway? Surely it can't seriously be because the [i]deck numbers[/i] in [i]one extremely short sequence[/i] were wacky. That's crazy-talk.[/QUOTE][/qb] The campfire scenes were nice and invoked good characterization of longtime friendship, but the rest of the movie is shit. I agree with all of Griffwork's complaints plus the moronic "jet boots".... I winced at those as a kid watching it in the theatre. The "made for TV" look of the poorly-named pardise city (at a time when that lame song was a hit), and the awful, rushed happy-ending all make STV even worse than[i] Nemesis[/i]. [QUOTE][qb]And at what times, exactly, was TMP "awful"??? -[b]MMoM[/b] :D [/qb][/QUOTE]In sooo many places! Firstly, it screams "made in the 1970's!" at every turn- particularly McCoy's (painful to watch) new-age get-up with beard and open shirt with big collar and disco chains. Mabye Travolta is a cultural icon in the future. The car radios on their waists is goofy and the old "only ship in range although we are not ready" was lame [i]back then[/i]- even [i]before[/i] they re-used it a hundred times. Ilea's character gets tougher to stomach with each passing year- as does the actress' "robot" voice. She sounds right out of a [i]Futurama[/i] episode. There are some nice moments to the movie (particularly in the Director's Edition) and I like how the new Enterprise is showcased and is sapcious inside (a big gripe I have with the later movies), but the director seems to have been going for a 2001 feel and that just does not work for Trek. Trek is about action and suspense as part of the story, and TMP never really delivers any. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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