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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nim: [QB] Minutiaeman: When I watch the individual TOS episodes of course I see the variables and details dictating specific Enterprise encounters and standoffs, and when she gets into a fair fight the she usually performs. The reason I started this "perceived ship might" discussion was not to prove the TOS Enterprise is "bad", but to discuss overall impressions, when talking about what goes into an aesthetic ship look to me. I associate TOS ship designs with simplicity (crude no 9 grey paint), frailty and long response times in maneuvers, a la sub battles. That doesn't mean I dislike the era, that's neither here nor there. The 1701-Refit, Miranda and Excelsior is seen taken a shitload of damage without stopping in their tracks or exploding on the spot, and that gives me a feeling of quality, tenacity and potency. The 80's ships (Galaxy, Nebula etc) are good, but I don't feel they stand out as much. Of course the 1701-D is mighty, but the ship is too big and has too many people, responsibilities and functions for me to want to "take it out for a spin". It's a city-ship, Babylon 5-like, not a tight, strapped cruiser like the USS Excelsior, with a manageable crew size and whom I'd love to follow patrolling the neutral zone and getting into scraps with pirates/smugglers and using the ship for all its worth. An old former colleague of mine served on a mine sweeper in the 1970's, during Sweden's highest level of readiness against the soviets. He had a really cool captain and good memories. I once asked him if he hadn't wanted to have served on a cruiser or larger vessel (I was into warships at the time), but he said "Blech, then you'd probably have an admiral or other higher-up going in and out and keeping tabs on everything, driving everyone nuts". The entire, longer conversation had a great impact on me at the time because up until then I'd only been looking at armament, performance and martial capability in ships, not atmosphere, crew interaction and job descriptions. It made me appreciate and get a taste for the smaller ships that don't get to be in the headlines just as often. That went for Trek too. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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