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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Dukhat: [qb]I used to have the same feeling about the Copernicus having the 623 registry until I read this from Okuda: "I seem to recall that Grissom may have been relabeled to serve as another ship in Star Trek III or IV. I didn't try to relabel the model for 'The Naked Now,' partly because we realized that the existing registry would not be legible in standard-def video, but also because we were all so insanely busy at the time that no one could take on an additional project that wasn't likely to be seen on the screen." So Okuda himself stated that he didn't relabel the model, which to me means that it was labeled "U.S.S. Copernicus NCC-640" when it was filmed as the Tsiolkovsky. Remember, the VFX guys were separate from the Art Department and the scriptwriters. Their job was just to film the model. It was Okuda's job to relabel the models, which he clearly states here that he didn't do.[/qb][/QUOTE]Yes, that is the statement to which I referred as being quoted on Memory Alpha. It might help to seek some further clarification from him on this point, as it seems to conflict somewhat with previous statements he's made separately on the matter, namely the <u>Encyclopedia</u> starship list compiled from his own notes and his response to a query of mine specifically regarding the [i]Copernicus[/i]' name and registry, which I also quoted somewhere earlier in this thread... Me, on 5 May 2003: <blockquote>"Also, where did you get the name and registry of the [i]Oberth[/i]-class ship in Spacedock at the end of [i]Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home[/i]? According to the <u>Encyclopedia</u>, it's the [i]Copernicus[/i] NCC-623, but what is the source of this information?"</blockquote> Okuda, on 28 May 2003: <blockquote>"If I recall the name and registry number of the [i]Copernicus[/i] came from a photo from ILM that showed the [i]Grissom[/i] model as it was used in the end of ST4."</blockquote> It seems to me that BOTH statements are qualified as being based on his recollection, which I'm sure is no more infallible than anyone's. I do not mean to attack his credibility, but I hesitate to unquestioningly assume that the more recent one—which was no doubt given in response to someone asking specifically for an explanation of the registry discrepancy in the remastered TNG episode—is the more accurate of the two. The <u>Encyclopedia</u> reference was likely drawn from notes rather than recollection, but of course those demonstrably aren't infallible either. This discussion has actually made me quite curious as to exactly how the job of labeling models was delegated early on, and if it always remained consistent, because from day one it seems that the [i]Excelsior[/i] model was relabeled as the [i]Hood[/i] NCC-2541, and then this was either forgotten about or deliberately retconned, but to my knowledge Okuda has never indicated any awareness of this. Also there were instances such as the misspelling of the [i]Brattain[/i]'s name on its model (but not on set dressing) that it seems unlikely Okuda himself would have been responsible for. Anyway, being unable to speak certainly in the absence of more information, I wonder if much the same could not have happened in this case, and personally I regard the situation as a bit muddy and inconclusive. We are, after all, talking about events that transpired nearly three decades ago. I've thought about respectfully querying him further as to just how confident he is in the firmness of either recollection, and particularly as to whether he thinks it possible or plausible that the model might have actually been relabeled without his knowledge and/or recollection. I'm not sure I still have his e-mail address though. Does he still frequent the TrekBBS? What channels are people generally using to ask him stuff about the remastered TNG project? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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