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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [qb]...FASA...[/qb][/QUOTE]...was chock full of batshit crazy, buttfuck ugly designs [/QUOTE][/qb] True enough, but fixating there rather ignores the point that FASA, along with fans and canon designs, generally tried to stick to an overall look consistent with the times. The designers even said as much. We would not expect a curvy Intrepid Class hull beside the Excelsior in Star Trek III, for instance, any more than we would expect a TOS-styled saucer as the front end of the Galaxy. Are there outliers? Probably, especially among the background ships that were hardly meant for close scrutiny. However, the concept of chronological design ethos is at least as sound as chronological registries, if not moreso. [QUOTE][qb] It is up to us to let go of our preconceptions and re-evaluate our previous assessments and interpretations with the revelation of new data. It is not to be required that the makers of the shows and films conform to them. [/QUOTE][/qb] I'm not suggesting they need to conform to our *speculations*. I am suggesting they should've conformed to existing *canon*. [QUOTE] [qb] Things do not always have to go in a straight line (nor even follow a smooth curve) from simpler to more complex; they can also go the reverse, or back and forth, taking many left turns down blind alleyways, bouncing off the walls and looping back, etc. Thinking otherwise has always been a fallacy. [/QUOTE][/qb] Did I not make the same point regarding the space shuttle? I agree completely that there is no need to presume a purely linear progression. Our own space program basically looks like capsule-capsule-capsule-capsule-motherfrakkingspaceplaneWTF-capsule-capsule. However, there is a logic to it just as surely as there is a logic to the outlier that is the shuttle. There is no logic, however, to the Disco fleet, or the Discoprise. You reference the Sarajevo and Andorian Kumari as prime-canon evidence of a diverse design lineage, yet the point is about Starfleet designs. I could certainly accept more alien ships brought into Starfleet or periods of alien influence (say, a Vulcan/Andorian/Terran fusion in early Starfleet ships), but that's not what we are shown. [QUOTE] [qb] It has been clearly stated by Eaves that the thinking behind the redesign of the [i]Enterprise[/i] is that she will be refitted, [/qb] [/QUOTE]Rubbish. That makes as much sense as having Star Trek IV's new Enterprise be the TOS version from stem to stern, inside and out. Nobody would've taken that seriously, any more than your paragraphs of anti-"hysteria" apologetics (up to and including the absurd "Talosian illusion" bit) should be. It would've been universe-breaking, shark-jumping fanservice, and not something we should have to turn ourselves inside-out trying to justify. [QUOTE] [qb] In any case, we're talking about a change no greater than the TMP refit was. [/QUOTE][/qb] Debatable, but even if we stipulate to that you're asking for a refit back to TOS from TMP circa Star Trek II. It's patently absurd. [QUOTE] [qb] This whole "(visual) reboot" thing is a tempest in a teacup.[/qb][/QUOTE]On the contrary, it is the only way to maintain logical consistency, provided one recognizes that you cannot half-ass a reboot. Discovery, like the JJ films, only make sense as a completely separate universe unto itself. Once you recognize that, understanding it becomes much simpler and far less convoluted. There's no need to twist yourself in knots and insult others as hysterical for recognizing that. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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