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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Dukhat: [qb] Because you stated that [b]all[/b] novels are now canon. See next.[/QUOTE][/qb] Correct. That's Kurtzman's position as elucidated in multiple interviews. I've never suggested that only the CBS-era novels are canon, as you claim. [QUOTE][qb]How is that the exact opposite?[/qb][/QUOTE]In response to "I don't know enough about the literature to contest this point, but there are many who disagree" your retort was to claim I "seem to feel you have the authority to argue that they contain things that have been incorporated into the show's canon." In effect, when y'all tried to use the claimed lack of Trek novel continuity as an argument against Kurtzman's stated canon policy (just as others have previously tried to use inclusions from explicitly non-canon works to invalidate clear statements of non-canonicity), the fact that I dared dip a toe in in response with my relatively timid "I dunno, but here's what others say" and that this was portrayed as me feeling I had the authority to argue my own claims of fact made me laugh. Sorry if that bothers you. It's not my intent to offend. Just struck me funny, is all. [qb] [QUOTE]Other people here have already done that.[/QUOTE][/qb] No, no one has demonstrated that stated canon policies are invalidated by non-canon details getting graduating to canon via inclusion. Lee literally just argued the opposite . . . and, indeed, so do you: [qb] [QUOTE] But as others have said, just because something in a novel was used in the show (i.e. "Hikaru") doesn't mean that now everything in that novel where Sulu was given a first name is now canon. [/qb][/QUOTE]Again, flip it. If Hikaru doesn't canonize whichever novel that came from (at least it wasn't Walter that got picked), that's cool. But if something's explicitly canon and gets -- not contradicted, but merely *unused* -- it doesn't become non-canon because of that, does it? Hell, even if something *is* contradicted, how many posts on Flare are dedicated to pondering ways to rationalize apparent contradictions? Did anyone ever say "gee, let's just ditch that whole episode"? No? Why not? It's what you're doing now. Basically, it seems to me that this claim of discontinuity overriding canon policy is just knee-jerk rejectionism, because the fundamental argument behind it makes no sense and is contrary to the way it's always been done. But, to each their own. If you can rationalize the CBS Trek Universe with the Star Trek Original Universe . . . well, you'd be the first. Godspeed. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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