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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Griffworks: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Timo: [qb] I agree that the E-nil->E-nil-plus refit was beyond ridiculous and a Horizon->Connie or BR->Connie would be two steps beyond *that*. But 1920s did not spell the end of major refitting and role-changing of warships. Changing of gun cruisers or even battleships to carriers went on throughout WWII. Special purpose vessels were created out of vanilla warships long after the war. Even today, we see conversions, such as old amphibious assault ships becoming floating command posts.[/qb][/QUOTE]My example was of specific US Navy changes in vessels that I'm aware of. I have heard of no USN vessels being changed from a cruiser/battleship to a carrier during WWII. Even then, however, the vessel was likely reclassified as something other than cruiser or battleship, yes? That's the point I'm trying to make, for the most part. If a major refit occurs, the vessel ceases to be a part of that named class, which is how things should have gone for [i]Enterprise[/i] after her refit in ST:TMP. At least, IMO. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Phoenix: [qb] [QUOTE]Just out of curiosity, what do you think of Jeri Taylor's novels and their canonicity? According to startrek.com: [QUOTE]As a rule of thumb, the events that take place within the live action episodes and movies are canon, or official Star Trek facts. Story lines, characters, events, stardates, etc. that take place within the fictional novels, the Animated Adventures, and the various comic lines are not canon. There are a couple of exceptions to this rule: the Jeri Taylor penned novels "Mosaic" and "Pathways." Many of the events in these two novels feature background details of the main Star Trek: Voyager characters. (Note: There are a few details from an episode of the Animated Adventures that have entered into the Star Trek canon. The episode "Yesteryear," written by D.C. Fontana, features some biographical background on Spock.)[/QUOTE]Personally, I consider them canon, as I like the whole Bonestell thing, but it seems that many people don't... [/qb][/QUOTE]I wasn't aware of the comment at StarTrek.com that changes their definition of "canon". Honestly, given all the mistakes I've seen there, I haven't even bother w/the site for quite some time. And no, I don't consider the novels canon, regardless who wrote them or how nicely done they were. Again, most of the fans I've ever dealt with go by a very narrow definition of canon: that which is seen or heard onscreen - only. I've never read "Mosaic" or "Pathways", tho have heard they're very good books. I respect Jeri Taylor for her work on VOY, even tho I didn't like the show. I marked a definite decline in the quality of the show after she left in, what was it, third season? I'm not sure what you mean by "the whole Bonestall thing", tho. Anyhow, all I'm trying to say is that for a common denominator of communication to be capble between different people, you must have some common ground. Allowing only that which is seen/heard onscreen as canon is what most people accept. Now, what they prefer is a completely different beast and that must be agreed on by all parties involved to keep misunderstandings from happening. Think of it as a sort of universal translator for Trek history. ;) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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