Most of the animal rights bumper stickers I see on VW microbuses and Volvos are accompanied by "Choice!" and "Keep Your Laws Off My Body!" bumper stickers.

local radio station had a long interview with a guy pushing the Vegan lifestyle (Surprise surprise-- he was also in the healthfood business)

This guy argued that humans are not made to eat meat. When a caller asked about our canine teeth, he answered, "Human teeth don't look like a cat's."

yeah, sparky, but they don't look like a bunny or a horse's either.

I'm personally waiting for all those promised breakthroughs in science that will permit the mass growth of meat-like protein strands or vegetable-tissue without the need for an acre of farmland, no cow herds, no slaughterhouses or farm labor.

Until then, it's still Babe-the-Pig and Bossy-the-Cow

"I'm attempting to become vegetarian"

Er, pardon? Do you have to take a test, or something?

Since then, I've only eaten artificial food: Pop-Tarts, candy, cookies, crackers, McDonald's, that sort of shit.

If that's what I have to do, it'd be easy. I doubt it's proven that vegetarianism is unhealthy, but if we assume that it is, it's probably far less unhealthy than, say, eating McDonald's once a week. I do intend to eat fish or chicken once every so often (though I'd have to quit eating them first...). Besides, whatever protein you need from meat you can get from eggs.

And wouldn't eating eggs be non-vegetarian? I mean, eggs don't exactly grow on trees...

Yes, I know that's a horrible joke. Shut up. *L*

Soooo...why do you want to become a Vegetarian then Tora? Is it the killing animals thing, or is it the health thing? Because while you're no doubt right about McDonald's not being the healthiest food around, you don't have to give up all meat just to avoid eating a Big Mac.

Annddd...if you are going to eat chicken, then surely that means you're not a vegetarian by a strict (or even a loose) definition of the word?

Actually, why do you have to put a label on it at all. Can't you just be someone who eats healthily, whether it be chicken, eggs, or human?

I was a vegan once, I lived on barley and hopps for about 6 months.

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Yep

I brought up "guns" in response to *your* opening post, "as I assume the guns used to kill animals ... will inevitbly get mention."

I simply meant to state that I've got no problems with rifles and shotguns used for hunting, so don't go off on a tangent. If you didn't want guns brought up, you shouldn't have mentioned them yourself.

Now, back to the topic ... the only meat I usually eat is from McDonalds ... and I think I read somewhere that its made of kelp?!

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I'll hug your elephant if you'll kiss my ass.
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

It was an humorous moment, much to the delight of all present.

I think it depends from person to person whether vegetarians can eat eggs or not, since you don't kill anything to get it. Milk doesn't grow on trees either, but vegetarians drink it.

Liam: I'd like to be vegetarian mostly because of the health thing and some because of the nature religion thing (but not all pagans are vegetarians). But since I like meat, nor do I think it's wrong to eat it, it's kinda hard to stop (especially if you have a mandatory meal plan). And I say vegetarian because it's an easier term than "person who eats mostly veggies and some fish and chicken." I'd like to eat less carbohydrates, too, but that's even harder since the supermarket next to me only sells one type of tofu. And tofu is only good in a Chinese dish. I tried it cooked Italian style once. It was nasty.

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Ultra: I'm sorry, I didn't realize you didn't mean to have it taken so literally, but the issue of firearms for hunting v other purposes comes up quite a bit when this issue is debated, so I chose to reply to it.

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I'll hug your elephant if you'll kiss my ass.
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

"...but not all pagans are vegetarians..."

Well, no kidding. Considering that "pagan" covers all but one religion (or, in the narrowest sense, all but three)...

pa�gan (From infoplease.com)

Pronunciation: (pA'gun), [key]
�n.
1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient
Romans and Greeks.
2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
3. an irreligious or hedonistic person.

�adj.
1. pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian,
Jewish, nor Muslim.
2. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of pagans.
3. irreligious or hedonistic.