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I just realized it... thanks to one of Ryan's posts.
The colony was launched 70 years ago. 2151-70 is around 2081 [plus or minus a 5 year margin is still within my range of this violation]. Archer says that Mars, specifically Utopia Planitia was colonized before this point in time. However Harry Kim specifically stated in "The 37's" that Mars was colonized in 2103.
Small thing? Maybe... I maintain that a prequel makes such small comments extremely hard to keep consistant.
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Couldn't we just get everybody to post the same discussion in the same thread? If you wonder of what I speak, I speak of this thread. J's post would've answered a question of mine (good thing I looked at this thread).
Is it really so hard to click on "Enterprise" and see, oh, gee, there's always a thread on the topic I want to discuss!!!!!
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1. At the time that I checked there were no threads specifically about the timeline issue, only about the Alpha Centuari and 20 ly issue.
2. I hadn't checked other threads that didn't have topics unrelated to this one. Specifically that at least three other posters had realized the same thing I did... including Ryan and Siegfried... but I had yet to read those threads yet [simply because they didn't have a closely related topic].
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Perhaps 2103 was the date of the first permanent colony on Mars, but UP had been settled and abandoned at some point before that?
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Perhaps it wasn't originally a permanant settlement, with rotating crews, like the space station. Or perhaps it was only incorporated in 2103.
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Or a military (or otherwise governmental) outpost which wasn't colonized by civilians (or at least non-NASA-equivalent people) until later.
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Anyone got an exact quote on this? I'm sure no one actually bothered to record Voyager, but...
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Don't have the episode but I remember Kim's words almost verbatim:
Earhart: "Blah blah blah something about Martians invading Earth."
Kim: Actually, it was the other way around you stupid bitch. People from Earth colonized Mars in 2103.
Like I said, 'almost verbatim'.
But we already know that NASA/ISA/whatever was already performing flag and bootprint missions in the 2030s.
My own speculation of early Earth space exploration goes by the idea that pre-WWWIII Earth explored the solar system out as far as Saturn ('Tommorrow Is Yesterday') before WWWIII. Then the planet goes into the shitter and we don't get back out there until Cochrane.
Here, "Enterprise" actually manages to support fan speculation! After Cochrane flew, humanity began colonizing the major points of the solar system before heading out into deep space for good. According to me, anyway. Something that annoyed me however, was the further attempts at psuedo-continuity. New Berlin was mentioned in "First Contact". And we've never heard of anything other than Utopia Planitia when it comes to Mars. Some umpteen million people on the moon (according to Riker), and probably multiply that by a dozen for Mars, and you'd think there would be more than one city. Of course, now we have the idea that Utopia and New Berlin are the oldest cities on Luna and Mars. Now, how often in history has the first established settlement become the biggest city? Plymouth vs. New York City.
Nitpicking, yes, but so be it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Tycho City also mentioned as a lunar city in First Contact?
Anyway, I could see that it is possible for the first settlements on Luna and Mars to be among the biggest. Both planets have wide expansion areas, but you can't actually use that area since there's no air, water, or ground vegetation. For those reasons, I can see the first settlement on Luna being a city with interconnected additions. In 2067, the core of the city is built. In 2070, 2073, etc, additions are built onto the city to expand it.
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quote:Originally posted by TSN: Perhaps 2103 was the date of the first permanent colony on Mars, but UP had been settled and abandoned at some point before that?
quote:Originally posted by Omega: Perhaps it wasn't originally a permanant settlement, with rotating crews, like the space station. Or perhaps it was only incorporated in 2103.
Or perhaps, TPTB are falling down on the job when it comes to maintaining "continuity." Just a thought...
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One pretty strong candidate for a violation is all that we can come up with thus far, even though the producers have 500+ hours of material to be "continuous" with, and you say they are falling down on the job? Talk about a
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