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I'm still not real clear on exactly what the deal was with the Thirteenth Tribe. Anders said that they hadn't discovered resurrection technology, but re-discovered it. How'd they lose it the first time?

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He said they'd been procreating, for all we know they'd been doing that since Kobol where the original Resurrection technology could have been controlled solely by the LoK. By the time they left for Earth it could have been out of use for generations.

This actually strengthens the case for Kara's apparent rebirth being the result of Lordly intervention and may point to the fact that ALL the 13 tribes were originally Cylons. That, or the original Resurrection technology works on humans too.

So....how long before Galactica gets it's own hybrid?

Oh and P.S. Hurray for Boomer! Of all the character on this show, I think she's been dealt the roughest deal. I've been waiting for her to escape back home for years.

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Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
Maybe this also explains why Ellen appeared so mysteriously way back in season one... did Cavil arrange to have her belatedly put aboard the fleet? Or did she really just get that "lucky"?

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My understanding of how it goes:

* The original Cylons were created on Kobol well over 3,000 years ago. According to the podcast, the Lords of Kobol were not happy about this and exiled the 13th Tribe into space. At this time the Cyons had resurrection tech.
* On their way to Earth, the 13th Tribe briefly stopped at the Algae Planet and built the Temple of Hopes. They prayed for guidance and received clues or a vision that led them on to Earth. But who did they pray to? If the Lords of Kobol had just kicked them off Kobol, they probably weren't too happy with them. Was it the one rebellious Lord, the 'one whose name cannot be spoken'? He/she may have not have supported the actions of the other Lords of Kobol. Or does the fact that RDM deleted all references to the Lords of Kobol mean that that's not part of the answer?
* A key moment that may have slipped some by: Ellen says that the 13th Tribe backtracked their way to Earth. I wouldn't be surprised that this was a hint (maybe the only one we'll get) that humanity originated on Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago and Earth is the true human homeworld. Or, Ellen meant that the Final Five revisited the Temple when they backtracked their way from Earth to find the 12 Colonies. This bit is unclear.
* At some point the 13th Tribe nailed the ability to procreate. Resurrection technology was abandoned in favour of procreation.
* The Final Five - Anders, Tyrol, Tigh, Ellen and Tory - were scientists trying to recreate resurrection technology. Tyrol contributed a lot of work, but Ellen made the breakthrough.
* Forewarned of the coming holocaust, the Final Five gave themselves the 'organic memory transfer' technology and put a ship in orbit with resurrection chambers on board. When the holocaust took place, they resurrected on the orbiting vessel. Presumably every other Cylon on Earth died.
* The holocaust on Earth and the exiling of the 12 Tribes from Kobol happened almost simultaneously, 2,000 years ago. It's unclear if these events were linked. If the Lords of Kobol exiled the humans for creating the Cylons, it's unclear why they waited 1,000+ years before doing so.
* The Final Five realised that the cycle would perpetuate, so they chose to warn the Twelve Colonies not to create AI, or if they did to treat it well. They didn't have jump drives, so travelled subluminally to the Colonies. At relativistic speeds it took them almost 2,000 years to reach the Colonies, although only a few months or years passed for them. Presumably, not knowing the 12 Tribes had abandoned Kobol, they went via Kobol and then followed the colonists to the Twelve Colonies.
* Note that this puts the Colonies less than 2,000 light-years from Earth (going via Kobol), contradicting the distances given in Rapture (which says that the distance from the Algae Planet to the Ionian Nebula, which were merely two pit-stops on the way to Earth, was a massive 13,000 ly).
* In the podcast RDM makes it clear that he didn't want BSG's backstory to crash into CAPRICA's, and make things on one show not track with the other. For this reason, the backstory of BSG is mostly concerned with the Final Five and the skinjobs. The backstory of the mechanical Cylons and how they 'found God' is left for CAPRICA to explore.
* The Final Five arrived at the Colonies 40 years ago to find a war between the mechanical Cylons and the humans already in progress. The mechanical Cylons had already found God and wanted to recreate themselves in humanity's image, but their experiments with the Hybrids were not going anywhere. The Final Five agreed to help them out on the understanding they stop the war against the humans. The Cylons agreed.
* The Final Five and the mechanical Cylons settled 'a colony', presumably beyond the armistice line, and there created the first skinjob, John Cavil. Cavil helped them build the other models: Leoben, D'Anna, Simon, Doral, Six, Daniel and Sharon.
* Cavil didn't want to be human, but wanted to be the best machine he possibly could be. In a fit of jealousy he destroyed the Daniel model (#7), contaminating the copied bodies so he could not resurrect.
* It is unclear if there were eight humanoid models planned from the start, or if Sharon was introduced only after the entire Daniel line was destroyed. Ellen suspected Cavil was responsible for the Daniels' destruction.
* The Five built the Resurrection Hub, but did not pass on the secrets of how it was built to Cavil. The Resurrection Hub is therefore irreplaceable, unless the Final Five choose to rebuild it.
* Cavil orchestrated an insurrection against the Final Five. He killed them by trapping them in a compartment and suffocating them to death. After resurrecting them, he blocked their memories and put them in the Colonies to see the greed and self-destructive streak of humanity up close. He then began building the Cylon war machine.
* The attack on the Colonies was launched (Cavil claims to have voted against the original attack back in the Season 2 finale, but based on recently revelations this was probably BS) and humanity was reduced to the 50,000 survivors in the Fleet. However, fate, destiny or whatever had led four of the Final Five to survive in the Fleet. Cavil himself ensured that Ellen escaped. Cavil wanted the Five to acknowledge they were wrong and he was right, and was unwilling to kill them until he had that validation.

A third faction is definitely involved:

* A woman appeared to Anders and a man appeared to Tory. Only they could see them, no-one else. Tyrol became convinced he had a chip in his head. The 'messengers' (as RDM terms them) warned them that the apocalypse was coming, giving them the forewarning to rebuild resurrection technology and survive. The messengers are clearly the precursors to Head-Six and Head-Baltar.
* The Final Five had nothing to do with the events that led to the Fleet discoverying the Algae Planet just as the supernova was about to happen. Ellen puts the blame on the One True God, but it is made clear elsewhere in the episode that the Final Five don't believe in the One God, which was a Centurion creation. Ellen may have been playing to Boomer or any Centurion that was around. We know Cavil doesn't believe in the One God either.
* Anders doesn't know anything about what happened to Starbuck either.

Another note from the podcast: Daniel and his backstory will apparently appear in CAPRICA, which seems to suggest he has nothing to do with Starbuck. I'm also going to guess that the #7 model Cylon being called Daniel, and the creator of the mechanical Cylons being called Daniel is not a coincidence.

Posted by: Adam Whitehead | Feb 14, 2009 6:21:13 AM

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The link between #7-Daniel and the "Daniel" from Caprica seems a distinct possibility. That would imply they are setting up several unfinished plot lines to hook us on a new TV show...

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