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Also as for rogue Time Ladies (not necessarily bad guys, though), there's Romana. Granted, she was left in E-space, but apparently the novels and/or audio adventures brought her back and made her Lord High President. And, from what I hear, she became a bit evil herself. But, regardless, if they can bring her out of E-space, so could the series.
Also, Susan is presumably still out there somewhere. It'd be neat if they brought her back in a regeneration that looks older than the new Doctor, but make a sort of joke of her calling him "grandfather".
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Other rogue Timelords that are possibly still out there include Drax, K'anpo and the Meddling Monk. Deceased Gallifreyans who had "retired" from Time Lord status included Chronotis and Azmael.
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It feels really strange to read all this, given I was hiding behind the sofa during Dr. Who before many of you were born. And that may be a clich�, watching it from behind the sofa, but I really did. I still loved the show, no matter how scary I found it. . . but following it was hard, given the many years of the seventies I spent abroad; and in the 80's, more time abroad, combined with the draconian bedtimes of a boarding school, exacerbated by the disastrous change to Colin Baker, brought my interest to a close. I got over my sense of outrage when they replaced Jon Pertwee with Tom Baker (yes, I'm old enough to remember the third Doctor, sad, huh?) and came to love the latter as my favourite Doctor; Peter Davison was OK though. So I know virtually nothing about the show's mythology behind the basics. Russell Davies is a fan and I bet he's done his research, but I hope the new series will take account of us old-school viewers who can't do much better than remember the difference between Daleks and Cybermen.
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: And his costume was easily the worst of the lot.
Yeah - it was very 'eighties'. All that pink and yellow and the patches. He might as well have had pink feather hair clips or a thin black leather tie!
So just going back to the "Timelord" bit - did all Timelords have some sort of temporal perception or manipulation over time?
Was the Doctor considered a 'rouge' Timelord?
And Susan - his Granddaughter - she was a Timelord too? Through heritary? So does that mean her Mother/Father also became Timelords or can there be Timelords that don't know they are Timelords that go on living their normal lives? Or even choose not to be a Timelord - given that "Timelord" is an occupation or position or craft - instead of just a race/species name.
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Susan had left the series before "regeneration", "Gallifrey" and "Time Lord" were even thought up, much less mentioned. So whether she is actually his physical "he must have children because they've had a kid themselves" grandfather, or it's a nickname for a different sort of relationship is a bit up in the air. I believe the novels go with the later idea (certainly he didn't seem to mind leaving her behind to get married on 21st century Earth, even though she would have lived several hundred years longer than her husband. Even during one regeneration Time Lords seem to have life spans of a few decades).
I remember when Davison's version met her during the 5 Doctors.
First Doctor: "And this is my granddaughter, Susan."
Fifth Doctor: "Yes, I know" (ENIGMATIC SMILE!)
The way the first Doctor said "this is MY granddaughter" always implied to me that it wasn't a family thing, but something else. On the other hand, Davison's ENIGMATIC SMILE says the reverse. So you can take it how you want, I guess.
And "Timelord" is often treated as being the name of the species in the series rather than the more logical (but more boring) "Gallifreyan".
I think the Time Lords called the Doctor everything from "rogue" to "renegade" to "maniac". "Rogue" was definitely the most common term though, with "renegade" usually being reserved for the Master and the Rani.
And Davis is a good enough fighter that he'l incorporte past canon (both real and some fan stuff) without it being fan wank "let's do this because the fans will think it's cool".
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Thanks for the clarification. What are you getting at with the 5th Doctor vs 1st Doctor!?! That the Susan and the First Doctor has some sort of weird sexual fetish/relationship where he liked to be referred to as "grandfather"?
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No, not like that. Possibly more an adoption/fostering type situation. I believe that the books come up with some sort of story whereby the first Doctor rescues her from something and there was confusion and McCoy was dark and it was all terribly depressing or something. The first Doctor might feel more protective towards her because he was the incarnation that saved her. Or it might have simply been his crotechtey personality that made him think that he'd be closer to her than the other Doctors.
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WARNING - SPOILERS Here r some facts i have learned regarding what to expect in the new series. The 1st episode will be called Rose and will feature the return of the Autons( the shop window dummy aliens). One episode will see the doc and Rose meet with Charles Dickens. Another ep will be set on a space station at the very end of time. An ep will be set in london in the very distant future. 1 will be set in 1986 as Rose trys to prevent a loved ones death. one involving zombies at albion hospital during ww2. Mark Gatiss( league of gentleman) will continue to write for the new series and ,altough she choose not to this year , J K Rowling may write 1 episode for the show if it return for a second year.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: All this and more is readily available at outpostgallifrey.net .
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Info has to be got from somewhere ! would you have preferred it if I had got it from a place nobody else could get it? I.e just made stuff up. I put stuff like that on here in case others have not already seen it. I thought I was being helpful, sorry.
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Whoa, dude. I'm not disputing or belittling anything you posted. Just adding to it, in case people wanted to verify sources or get more ancillary stuff, since you didn't say where you got this info (and at which point, many people here could conclude that you DID pull those facts out of your ass).
If there's anywhere online to get the lowdown, it's OG.net.
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