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It's an pure warship/carrier,and Starfleet,though peaceful,launched first Akira in 2363(correct me if I'm wrong)? That's nonsense,I think SF must have it desighned after at least Borg encounter,if not Dominion War.
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We have no accurate data as to the commissioning date of the Akira-class.
Assuming the registry indicates late 2350s/early 2360s, this was during the peaceful era, even though there were still wars with the Tzenkethi, Talarians and Cardassians, as well as incidents with the Tholians. Starfleet might have designed a carrier/missile cruiser like this to serve as a one-ship deterrent to small skirmishes rather than having to devote large fleets to putting down small wars.
Or it could also be assumed that the ship was on the drawing boards around the Borg contact in 2365 and was commissioned then with older registries because of the fact that they had been planned for some time, but not put into construction until the Borg situation required it.
Some have pointed out that the escape pods are of a new design, so it must be a new ship. Actually the only ships we saw with square escape pods were the Galaxy and Nebula, which had been designed in the 2350s. Its plausible the angular escape pods couldhave been designed in the late 2350s, after the Galaxy, Nebula, New Orleans, Cheyenne etc. had already been commissioned with the older design. Or, given that Voyager had square escape pods, that starfleet used two designs of escape pods concurrently, just as they still use type-6 shuttles on new ships even though there are now type-7, 8 and 9 shuttles.
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Well, since we saw it in "First Contact", we know it wasn't designed after the Dominion War.
Second, Starfleet has (with the exception of the "Defiant-Class") NO *warships*.
Third, what do you mean -- "carrier?"
Do you think you might be able to work on your grammar? Your question makes no sense. Why was it designed so early? It's not like the engineers at the ASDB (in the fictional ST universe) can look into the future. "Gee, let's not design the Akira-Class until after the Borg attack Earth, m'kay?"
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Jaeger designed it to be a through-deck carrier (the rear and forward shuttlebays connect to allow it to embark many many of the mythical and sought after Star Trek universe 'fighters')
And Starfleet doesnt have warships, but it does have well armed ships that fight in wars. Thats what he meant. With 15 torpedo tubes and three shuttlebays its pretty clear that the mission profile includes 1) lots of torpedoes and 2) lots of shuttles.
And the 'lets wait until we meet the Borg' is why i think the ships were already around, and just proved to be useful in fighting the Borg. Even though Starfleet already knew about the Borg (through Seven's parents) for a while and it was classified.
Oh heres a gem from the Starship Spotter thread posted by Hobbes
quote: Some fans I talk to refuse to believe their vaunted Akira-class, with it's 50 torpedo launchers, predates the Galaxy-class believing it's heresy to think their favorite ship could be old.
I can see by your spelling that you could possibly be one of the "m4n, teH AkIra totzally fuckn rrawkxs!!!!!!1~ !!!!!!!" crowd.
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Well,shuttles can be replaced by Peregrines, I think.Isn't 15 tubes makes Akira an warship?It's just very powerful.
And by "why it was designed so early" I mean: why in relative peace? Of course CaptainMike already told me why, but I wrote it before his post(I'm saying pure gibberish...)
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I think the big problem that you're going to run into with this thread, Nevod, is that there is still some arguement as to whether or not the Akira is in fact a through deck fighter carrier and whether or not it does in fact have 15 torpedo lauchers. There is evidence that is was designed that way, but we have, as yet, seen no evidence of it on screen.
That's where the arguement comes from.
I have no problem believing that starfleet makes patrol ships, especially during wartime (like with the Tzenkethi and the Cardassians) even though they're not technically "warships".
Which brings up a question: Do we know for sure that the Defiant was the first "warship"? Sisko's description of the Defiant way back in "The Search" said only that it was conceived without any families, or science labs, or holodecks...I don't think he ever said it was the first warship. Just that it had no comforts and that it was designed to pound the Borg.
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The special thing about the Defiant is that it's a sole warship. The Akira is much bigger, and besides the well armament probably has scientific departments too. I don't even think that the Akira is more warlike than the Galaxy, for instance. Only the design looks more aggressive (and maybe it was just fast and easy to upgrade after the first Borg encounter).
Uh - with "so early" you don't mean 2151 by any chance?
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i think 'the search' said
Kira: blah blah Starfleet doesnt have warships
Sisko: Technically its classified as an escort. Blah blah science labs blah blah bathrooms..
So Starfleet doesnt like using the following terms 'warship' 'battleship' 'gunboat', but for the sake of reality since it is the organization that fights wars must have ships that are fitted to be combatants.. your escorts, patrol cruisers, cutters, perimeter action ships, defensive weapons bases, whatever. Please note that, in times of peace, the Akira appears to have what it takes to be a standard starship too (and the Defiant has been used for non-combatant purposes too [i.e. science missions in 'Meridian', 'Destiny' and 'Rejoined' among others] Just because it is more suitable for war doesnt make it solely a warship. Thats why Starfleet says it doesnt have any warships)
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and a little bit of a nicer word at that. So Starfleet just avoids the obvious war-like ship designations. Its not a gunboat.. its an escort. Its not a battleship.. its a dreadnought. Patrol Combatant, Strike Cruiser, Perimeter Action they probably have loads more euphemisms where those came from
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That's a good point. Even if the Akira does have uber torpedos and what not...it may not have been originally designed that way. The class may have been modified after the Borg encounter or some other conflict because it was easy to do compared to other classes. Maybe, with all the shuttlebay space, they had room to add the extra weaponry.
And yes, I'm sure the Akira has some science departments and what not...at least more than the Defiant has.
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You know, I think we can work with that... Refitting the Akira as a whole class specifically to fight the Borg, not unlike the Lakota upgrade that was allegedly to fight the Dominion.
No, the Enterprise-B didn't have quantum torpedoes. While the Lakota was an Excelsior-II (as I call them), the upgrade doesn't refer to the physical appearance of the ship, but the capabilities of the ship as far as shields, engines, and weapons goes.
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^Yeah, the Excellsior class in general went through several refits and upgrades.
As for the Akira, IMHO, I just can not really believe a ship of that size can be made to fit such a large arsenal and such a humongous shuttle bay.
I prefer to think of the Akira as an "older" class ship, since "newer" starships geared up for tactical situations would probably feature "burt fire tubes" or Quantom tubes rather many many photon luanchers.
If i were a crewman on an Akira class ship, i would hate to be in charge of sweeping all those tubes. hehehe
Climbing into the pod through the pylons seem like a bitch!
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