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I thought I'd look over these pages also while we're at it, for the sake of completeness. Hope you don't mind!
Danube
Their maximum speed is given as Warp 4.7 in the DS9 bible, supported by an exchange in "Dax" where Kira is specifically asked to search for ships faster than runabouts, and replies by listing ships that meet or exceed Warp 5. The only contradiction is Jake's "warp eight" order in "The Jem'Hadar", which we didn't see executed because he lacked proper authorizations. If runabouts could do Warp 8 from the planet to the wormhole, why not for the short time it would take to catch Dax's kidnappers? Why not worry about ships capable of Warp 9 or more?
Defiant
Why didn't the Defiant land onscreen? Ron D. Moore: "The Defiant can land?"
The poster who mentioned this to him quoted Captain's Chair. Ron then questioned that source, not knowing that the Captain's Chair actually has the canon cutaway. That's one reason why the Defiant didn't land onscreen, there may be others. The crew complement was alternately given as 47 ("The Adversary"), 49 ("Children of Time"), 50 ("Paradise Lost"). The bible also gives a crew of fifty, so I'd accept this number as the theoretical crew size.
I'm sure the Defiant can reach Warp 9.8 (DS9 bible) for very short periods, though you'd have to reroute energy from the weapons to achieve even Warp 9.5 (as mentioned in "The Sound of Her Voice"). The regular maximum speed is only Warp 9 according to the episode -- I'd use this number.
Excelsior
There is the third variant from "Star Trek VI" which has a smaller bridge (to account for the reused Ent-A bridge instead of the original sets from Star Trek III), two impulse deflection crystals and an extra row of windows in the aft shuttlebay area. It was recreated as a smaller model by Greg Jein for "Flashback", and almost certainly used as reference for the CGI model now in use by Foundation and Eden. No differences are visible in a side view, though.
Intrepid
The standard complement quoted by Rick Sternbach is 150. Voyager started out with 141 before they added on the Maquis and lost some crew due to Caretaker.
Miranda
The registry of the Majestic is actually NCC-31060, as seen in the text of "Starship Spotter" and also the CGI model shown there.
Nebula
In "Second Sight", O'Brien modifies the Prometheus' engines so they can do "Warp 9.6 in a pinch, but I wouldn't take it any faster". Dax says she thought the theoretical maximum was Warp 9.5. O'Brien: "It was." This dialogue is certainly in the episode, and I'd set the Nebula's maximum speed to Warp 9.5, the theoretical limit.
Also, in "Interface" (TNG), we learn that there were 300 people aboard the Hera.
Prometheus
Its length is exactly, not approximately, 1360 feet or 414.528m. There are 16 decks. Both pieces of info come from Rick's blueprints -- he posted the numbers on startrek.expertforum.ricksternbach. The size was confirmed in a rare view in the Magazine of Eden FX's bookleet that keeps track of ship lengths -- unfortunately, no other numbers were visible. It's maximum speed is also given in the episode as Warp 9.99.
Yellowstone
Seems to be same length (23.1m) as the regular runabouts, if nothing else.
Chakotay's raider
David Stipes mentioned in an old Voyager or TNG magazine article (don't have the exact name but I did see it) that the raider was 1/5th the length of Voyager. However, the interior sets are those of a runabout and can be matched with the exterior model. In this case, I got a size of only 40m or so. Have you tried this?
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Chakotay's raider is fairly assuredly 85m long from both VFX evidence from Caretaker (which is fairly inconsistent anyway) and more conclusively from scaling the cockpit windows of the miniature to those of the interior set.
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If the Defiant can hold 50 people, surely it can hold 49 or 47. And yes, the Defiant does have landing struts according to the MSD, but I can't think of an episode where it would have been necessary for the Defiant to land. Sisko said she's not made for atmospheric operation, so the struts would most like be meant for moons or asteroids or emergency situations.
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He didn't specify "atmospheric operation" -- he only said, in "Starship Down", "I know it's not what she was built for", probably meaning entering a class-J gas giant with wind speeds of 10,000 kph according to Kira. It could refer to atmospheric operation in general, or it may not. The Defiant did manage to crashland 200 years in the past in "Children of Time".
I scaled the two forward windows of the Maquis raider cockpit to those on the model, and got about 40m.
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I updated my own site with the information... except for the Maquis raider since everyone has a different size for it.
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I did the math on this raider front-end ages ago and got 21m tall, which clunks out to an 85ish length. The window height has to be the same as the Danube, and so a nice three-plus-one deck layout emerges from that. It also fits the VFX, or at least the only overhead we have.
NB: links are to geocities, so need to be copied-and-pasted.
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quote: The only contradiction is Jake's "warp eight" order in "The Jem'Hadar", which we didn't see executed because he lacked proper authorizations.
If Jake looked as inept at running a runabout as he did in that episode - i.e. pulling out all the chips... he probably didn't know the top speed of a Runabout and just said "warp eight!"
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Too bad... Warp 8 on a vessel that has a sustainable max cruise of less than warp 5 would probably blow up from a core breach in seconds.
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Hmm... The Nebula's a pretty close match for the Galaxy, so what makes her so much slower? Poor warp field geometry? Might it have something to do with how I suddenly realize that I can't seem to find an impulse engine (therefore secondary power) on that thing, period? Where's the impulse engines??? AAAHHH!!!!
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Oh, the Nebbie does have Impulse Engines. They were included when Greg Jein built the USS Phoenix and so have been included on all future Nebbie variants. I can't be bothered to go dig up a Nebbie picture showing the aft of the model and then circling the engines to point them out. Perhaps someone else here can do it for me. The reason you normally can't find them is that they're rarely ever lit to be seen.
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I think they're perched on top of the nacelle pylons...funnily enough. It took me a while to find them myself. Does anyone know why they blocked out the sauser nacelles from the galaxy class?
quote:Originally posted by David Templar: Hmm... The Nebula's a pretty close match for the Galaxy, so what makes her so much slower? Poor warp field geometry? Might it have something to do with how I suddenly realize that I can't seem to find an impulse engine (therefore secondary power) on that thing, period? Where's the impulse engines??? AAAHHH!!!!
Better yet, try to find the impulse engines on the Romulan Warbird. Guess what? There aren't any. Andy Probert told be he intended there to be two vertically stacked impulse exhausts at the very back of the Warbird, but he had a lot less time than usual to design that ship, and left the show before ever drawing the aft elevation. When Greg Jein built the model he didn't think to ask about the impulse engines or add them. Thus the ship hasn't any! (The triangular "mouth" on the front of the Warbird was supposed to be the navigational deflector, not a weapon. When I asked Andy where the deflector was on the Ferengi ship he said, "I forgot it." )
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