This is obviously a bluray cap, because I can now see the registry of the Miranda class CGI model, and it's NCC-31911...the registry of Sisko's U.S.S. Saratoga, which also made an appearance in Generations. So apparently when they scanned the filming model into CGI, they kept the name and registry too...of a ship that had been destroyed years before.
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This is actually the second Mirande class ship in STFC. The first is visiable just a few seconds earlier. I assume that it is the same model with the same registry, but it is not legible because it is more distant.
I can recall a couple of DS9 episodes where Miranda's with the registry of NCC-1864 appears. Here is an example:
(I hope that they will fix this when we get the HD release! For my taste there are far to much ships without or with stupid registries and/or names, especially in the later years of the series.)
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I just want them to add in a couple of norway class ships and a few Ambassadors as well to the major fleet action. maybe swap out some of the more insane Frankenstein Fleet ships with Steamrunners and such- that tug and the Raging Queen have to go...
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quote:Originally posted by o2: This is actually the second Mirande class ship in STFC. The first is visiable just a few seconds earlier. I assume that it is the same model with the same registry, but it is not legible because it is more distant.
I can recall a couple of DS9 episodes where Miranda's with the registry of NCC-1864 appears. Here is an example:
(I hope that they will fix this when we get the HD release! For my taste there are far to much ships without or with stupid registries and/or names, especially in the later years of the series.)
I discussed this over at the TrekBBS. If the original CGI fleet shots from seasons 6 and 7 turn out not to be HD-worthy, they will all have to be redone. If that's the case, there's absolutely no reason why any new footage would have to exactly match the old stuff. As long as the Defiant is there, the other ships are irrelevant. New ship models could be made (new classes and old classes that had little screen time, like the Ambassador). They could make new Klingon and Romulan ships too. There'd really be no reason to see tons of Excelsiors, Mirandas, and BoPs like we did before.
Of course, that's only if they absolutely have to do this. I'm guessing they'll find a way around that, because this would be a bit expensive.
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Most of the ships in season 6 and 7 are generic, that is right, but there are some ships scenes that are iconic: the destruction of the Sitak and the Majestic, for example. On the other hand: There is a seriously need for substitution of the stock footages in the last episode of S7 (WYLB).
Regarding the posiblity of making the transition to HD: Did anybody saw this picuture:
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: I can now see the registry of the Miranda class CGI model, and it's NCC-31911
Mightn't it actually be the physical model, since we know that's what it was labeled and since the physical miniatures of the Oberth and Nebula (and Enterprise-E) were used in this sequence as well? Or is there some tell that this is a CGI model, which I'm missing?
Regarding the render of the "Honshu" above, I certainly hope that if they do this for the episode that they'll remember to put the right registry number back on the model; right now it's got the Bonchune's from "Message In A Bottle" (VGR).
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I just want them to add in a couple of norway class ships and a few Ambassadors as well to the major fleet action. maybe swap out some of the more insane Frankenstein Fleet ships with Steamrunners and such- that tug and the Raging Queen have to go...
Seconded!
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quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Mightn't it actually be the physical model, since we know that's what it was labeled and since the physical miniatures of the Oberth and Nebula (and Enterprise-E) were used in this sequence as well? Or is there some tell that this is a CGI model, which I'm missing?
No, it's a CGI model. It was built by ILM after scanning the Saratoga physical model, but it was low-poly. The Oberth model likewise was a low-poly model (it was not the physical model). The Nebula class model however, was the physical model.
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quote:The last appearance of the Oberth-class was in Star Trek: First Contact in the Battle of Sector 001 scene. With the exception of the Borg cube, Borg sphere, the unnamed Nebula-class starship and the USS Enterprise-E all other ships were done as CGI models, including at least three Oberth-class starships. Never meant to be seen up close but rather as deep background elements, the model was built at ILM by modelers Larry Tan and Paul Theren, using Electric Image software for animation and Form-Z software for the model, at a fairly low resolution and at a low detail level. Noteworthy was that this was the first and only time that viewers could see an Oberth-class vessel discharge it weapons. Established as an older design, the model was never used again nor was its CGI-counterpart upgraded for later appearances and the class, with the exception of the use of the physical model for DS9: "Emissary", has not been seen (though referenced to) in either Star Trek: Deep Space Nine or Star Trek: Voyager.
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Just what we need another insanely inccurate Nebula...
I'd hope the producers of any updated ships would at least glance at the studio model before cludging Galaxy parts into a halfassed Nebula like was done at the end of Generations.
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According to what the author said, this CGI model was used both for the Honshu and (with the changed registry ) for the Bonchune. He was well aware of the 'wrong' registry, when he re-rendered the scene from DS9 Waltz, but his point was: The CGI models and the scenary files are still available and the models as detailed enough for HD.
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quote:Originally posted by o2: The CGI models and the scenery files are still available and the models as detailed enough for HD.
I certainly hope that isn't true.
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