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I'm working on a 3d model of the USS Horizon and USS Archon class starships. I'm using a scan I was sent of two pages out of what I think is the "Heavy Cruiser Evolution" plans. This version of the Horizon has a sensor dish on the aft part of the secondary hull.
Given that these classes were supposed to be the immediate predecessors to the Constitution Class, where would a suitable location for the hangarbay be? In the forward part of the secondary hull or somewhere in the primary hull?
Another oddity I noticed was the idea that the USS Horizon class ships were supposed to be the first class of vessels to mount the PB-18 warp nacelles. These nacelles are supposed to be 160 meters long on a vessel that's supposed to be 200 meters long.
I realized that the source of this data may have been early data given out to prospective authors by the production crew prior to the filming of "The Cage". At that time, the Enterprise herself was supposed to be a 200 meter ship, with a crew of 203.
After "The Cage", Gene decided to double the size of the ship and double it's crew. I'm not sure if this happened before the filming of "Where no man has gone before" or after, I suspect before. Either way, we now have a ship that's twice the size of the class that was apparently refit to Constitution specs, because there wasn't time for the publishers of the fan based material to go back and change thier works.
My solution has been to toss out the 180 meters and make the USS Horizon much larger. I've scaled the model to my USS Enterprise so that the PB-18's on the Horizon are about equal to the length of the PB-47s.
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TrekBBS search is disabled right now (again!), but aridas sofia (whose made the Evolution Charts and the Federation Recognition Chart) posted his new and improved Horizon/Archon class a few months ago. It's more detailed, fits better into the big scheme of things, and answers your question: a shuttlebay hangar is present in the aft secondary hull, in roughly the same place as on the Connies.
quote:Originally posted by Harry: TrekBBS search is disabled right now (again!), but aridas sofia (whose made the Evolution Charts and the Federation Recognition Chart) posted his new and improved Horizon/Archon class a few months ago.
Thanks, Harry. Maybe I'll post the question over there too. With the plans I'm working off, any hangarbay in the secondary hull would be forward like the FJ Federation Class Dreadnought.
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: I take it this assumes that thr Horizon and the Archon were not Daedalus Class ships.
No Aban. While the model on Sisko's desk might be a Daedalus Class (I don't watch TNG, DS9, etc), from what I've seen on the internet, the Daedalus class is half the size of a Horizon class, with a lot less crew. See my first post about where that data came from.
My plans show that the USS Constellation, NCC-1017, and the Archon Class USS Republic, NCC-1371 were converted to Constitution Class specs. The Archon class are physically the same as the Horizon, but thier interiors are layed out to give them longer endurance.
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Okay.. search is still down, so I might as well post aridas' new and improved Horizon (I hope you don't mind, aridas!). The secondary hull and nacelles have been completely redesigned. And here's the Constellation from a few years later (prior to being used as a testbed for Constitution).
And finally, as an answer to your question, the shuttlebay appears on this sketch.
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Okay.. search is still down, so I might as well post aridas' And finally, as an answer to your question, the shuttlebay appears on this sketch.
Thanks, Harry! I can see where he was going with it now. I was actually considering doing a version of the USS Republic with an original Horizon secondary hull and a new Constitution style primary hull. I'm glad to see I wasn't that far off!
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Hmmm... doesn't look all that different from the Daedalus.
On Christopher's version, I guess I just don't understand why there's such a long neck with such a small secondary hull. Why would they not fill that space up with more usuable room?
Aridas' version does a little better in that regard.
With regards to your model, Chistopher, the nacelle struts seem a touch wide. On the schematic, the struts are about as wide as the small cylanderish part attached to the front of the big cylanderish part of the secondary hull. Yours seem a bit wider. And they just look too wide and too thick for that design, IMO.
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It occurs to me that, since this is really about purely speculative designs, it probably ought to be in the Designs Forum...
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quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Hmmm... doesn't look all that different from the Daedalus.
On Christopher's version, I guess I just don't understand why there's such a long neck with such a small secondary hull. Why would they not fill that space up with more usuable room?
Aridas' version does a little better in that regard.
With regards to your model, Chistopher, the nacelle struts seem a touch wide. On the schematic, the struts are about as wide as the small cylanderish part attached to the front of the big cylanderish part of the secondary hull. Yours seem a bit wider. And they just look too wide and too thick for that design, IMO.
Thanks, TSN!
In regards to your first question, if I knew who did the plans I could probably speculate. On the second question, I agree that the nacelles on the model are a little too wide. I cobbed them from my Ptolemy tug model and haven't switched them out for a smaller set yet.
Based on Aridas' current work, I'm almost considering modifying my USS Enterprise model by removing the dish, replacing the PB-47's with my PB-18s and adding the spherical primary hull.
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