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Since I've finally put to bed the Antares and the Korolev (more or less) I've made an effort to get a few more finalised to my satisfaction.
First off, the Apollo Class The old plans were never up to much so I went back and redrew about 80% of it, tweaking the design to be a little closer to the Ambassador than it had previously been. Still needs some work, so I'd say it's about half done.
Next is the Deneva, which has always been a bit of a pain and I think my biggest mistake was in trying to make it look TOO functional and it ended up just looking busy, so I've streamlined the design a little. And last of all, the Surak. More or lees sorted, just needs the other views.
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I've always liked that Surak design. Even though there's really no precedent for its particular style, it's somehow so very Vulcan. I think the aft end of the side view is missing something to offset the details on the forward part. I liked the big registry number printed on its 'shoulder' in the previous schematics.
I've never had much problem with the Deneva as a light or medium transport. How modular do you suppose the design is? I'm imagining stretched versions with more cargo pods, or intrasystem versions without the warp engines.
quote:I've always liked that Surak design. Even though there's really no precedent for its particular style, it's somehow so very Vulcan. I think the aft end of the side view is missing something to offset the details on the forward part. I liked the big registry number printed on its 'shoulder' in the previous schematics.
Well it has shades of both the TMP warpsled and the 'T'Pau' design they ended up using, so there is some precedent there. Though this is more defiantly starfleet. Though when it's finished I do intend to do a civilian Vulcan livery, complete with red/pink tinged hull colour.
As for the windows, in my mind it shows a logical delineation between the end of the ship where all the quarters, labs etc are and the end of the ship that's all cargo bays and fuel tanks. Aside from that the general sparseness echoes something of the aesthetic of the Oberth, which I also consider to be a Vulcan ship.
quote:I've never had much problem with the Deneva as a light or medium transport. How modular do you suppose the design is? I'm imagining stretched versions with more cargo pods, or intrasystem versions without the warp engines.
It's modular in the sense the section that holds the aft pods can be removed and have an extra section added to it. I think Axeman did a quick mockup of how that'd look and I think the point at which it starts looking silly is x4, so x3 should be the limit. Other than that I've designed in to retracted clamps on the dorsal side that can hold a pair of very large container modules, so from a distance it'd resemble the miniature used.
quote:I know it's Vulcan, but just a slight cant to the nacelle pylons would nicely complement the sloping angles of the main fuselage.
I've tried it and believe it or not it looks crap. Besides, Rick drew it this way.
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You know, I always figured that the 'color shading' of the Vulcan ships was due to materials rather than aesthetic preferences. I honestly couldn't see the Vulcans, of all people, adding layers of thermacoat JUST to be different.
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One thing on the Surak- man, that thing needs better phaser coverage! Everything else on it is cool though.
I'd like to see you add the Vulcan textured hull panels from the T'Pau to the Surak, swap the starfleet markings for purely Vulcan ones and make it part of a "home fleet" or just a VUlcan research ship not bound to starfleet. I just think it would look cool is all.
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quote:You know, I always figured that the 'color shading' of the Vulcan ships was due to materials rather than aesthetic preferences. I honestly couldn't see the Vulcans, of all people, adding layers of thermacoat JUST to be different.
I think it's a little from column A and a little from column B. The Starfleet model has to of course conform to Starfleet spec, though the civilian model is under no such constraint. Still, anyone who thinks the Vulcans lack a sense of aesthetics or tradition clearly has not been paying attention.
quote:Apollo's "mission module" or attic, or whatever it is called, seems a little big. Maybe see what it looks like smaller and lower?
It looks like a cocktail parasol on the back of an elephant and about as useful.
quote:Are those escape pods on the middle of the Deneva? Maybe a pair each forward and aft?
They're workerbee docks. The next update will have escape pod hatches.
quote:One thing on the Surak- man, that thing needs better phaser coverage! Everything else on it is cool though.
It has precisely as much phaser coverage as standard as the Oberth-Class. I'm sure in the Dominion War they slapped a few defensive phaser bars and an enhances shield grid on these things, but that's strictly an after market mod.
quote:I'd like to see you add the Vulcan textured hull panels from the T'Pau to the Surak, swap the starfleet markings for purely Vulcan ones and make it part of a "home fleet" or just a VUlcan research ship not bound to starfleet. I just think it would look cool is all.
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A few more updates on the Deneva (the fore and aft views are just old place-holders for the moment) and a closer look at the re-designed landing gear.
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AAH! The Romulans stole all the shuttlecraft!
I'm having a hard time understanding some of the logic behind the landing gear design. What's the purpose behind having the lower hinge fitting sliding on the foot plate?
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Weight distribution...and a lack of desire to alter the dorsal view. Oh and on the off chance Kenny ever tried to model and animate this, I wanted to make it as irritating as possible for him.
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