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Jay the Obscure
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Search for Banned Arms In Iraq Ended Last Month
Critical September Report to Be Final Word
By Dafna Linzer
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 12, 2005; Page A01


The hunt for biological, chemical and nuclear weapons in Iraq has come to an end nearly two years after President Bush ordered U.S. troops to disarm Saddam Hussein. The top CIA weapons hunter is home, and analysts are back at Langley.

In interviews, officials who served with the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) said the violence in Iraq, coupled with a lack of new information, led them to fold up the effort shortly before Christmas.

Four months after Charles A. Duelfer, who led the weapons hunt in 2004, submitted an interim report to Congress that contradicted nearly every prewar assertion about Iraq made by top Bush administration officials, a senior intelligence official said the findings will stand as the ISG's final conclusions and will be published this spring.

President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials asserted before the U.S. invasion in March 2003 that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program, had chemical and biological weapons, and maintained links to al Qaeda affiliates to whom it might give such weapons to use against the United States.

Bush has expressed disappointment that no weapons or weapons programs were found, but the White House has been reluctant to call off the hunt, holding out the possibility that weapons were moved out of Iraq before the war or are well hidden somewhere inside the country. But the intelligence official said that possibility is very small.

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It's not like anyone said finding the WMD would be a slam dunk or anything.

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Saltah'na
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Nor did anyone say that Iraq HAD WMDs.

More like they had already dismantled them and never had them in the first place.

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Nor did anyone say that Iraq HAD WMDs
Except the Dear Leader and the Dubya, of course. I'm sure this'll just be glossed over in the usual fashion: "Look, y'know, we have to look towards the future in Iraq and focus on what's important: the election. Or rather, my re-election..."

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Jason Abbadon
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Y'know...with sooo much time to find them, it's insulting that no one even tried to plant fake WMD's.

I mean fuck: what does it say about the general attention span of voters, that we're willing to let this just slide?

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Jay the Obscure
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Yes, all the fear-mongering seems to have turned out to been for naught.

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~Brad DeLong

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"what does it say about the general attention span of voters, that we're willing to let this just slide?"

Not much, since the half that voted for Dubsia again didn't care about the truth to begin with.

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But...freedom is on the march!

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Yes, and Bush, h-he felt surprise was a wiser approach.
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Jay the Obscure
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Matthew Yglesias, over atTAPPED has this to say about the WMD situation:

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NO WEAPONS. You may have heard that the Great Iraq WMD Hunt has been officially abandoned. But what can one really say about this? Let me just reiterate for about the millionth time that, contrary to the ex post rationalizations from the right, it's simply not the case that "everyone" -- or even almost everyone -- thought Saddam Hussein had WMD at the time the war started. That was a period when this really was the consensus judgment of the international intelligence community, and that's one of the reasons it was possible to gain UN support for a resolution demanding the re-introduction of inspectors.

Then the inspectors came back to Iraq and went searching around. They didn't find any WMD stockpiles or evidence of advanced WMD programs. They did find some banned missiles with ranges beyond what was permitted by the Gulf War cease-fire. Those missiles were duly destroyed. At that point, rational people began to think that the intelligence consensus was, perhaps, mistaken. It already became clear that several of the specific charges the Bush administration had raised were false, and that despite repeated statements from administration officials that they were sure Saddam had WMD, they couldn't provide the inspectors with any useful clues to their whereabouts. But the United States wasn't being governered by rational people, so they, along with their cheerleaders in the press, proclaimed that if inspections weren't finding the weapons, that wasn't because the weapons weren't there but because the inspectors were corrupt, incompetent, or something like that. Therefore, an invasion was necessary.

This judgment -- the judgment that took us to war, the judgment that's led to all the many American casualties and the many more Iraqi casualties, didn't reflect any sort of international consensus whatsoever. If people aren't aware of that fact (which they largely aren't) it's because the "liberal media" was so busy gearing up to "embed" reporters and put on a show of patriotic pomp when the shooting started that they couldn't be bothered to tell anyone what was going on. Needless to say, unlike with the Killian memo story, no one has been held accountable for this and no one ever will be.



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Once again the Bush Administration is worse than I had imagined, even though I thought I had already taken account of the fact that the Bush administration is invariably worse than I can imagine.
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Jay the Obscure
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And Harold Meyerson writes in the Washington Post:

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President of Fabricated Crises

Some presidents make the history books by managing crises. Lincoln had Fort Sumter, Roosevelt had the Depression and Pearl Harbor, and Kennedy had the missiles in Cuba. George W. Bush, of course, had Sept. 11, and for a while thereafter -- through the overthrow of the Taliban -- he earned his page in history, too.

But when historians look back at the Bush presidency, they're more likely to note that what sets Bush apart is not the crises he managed but the crises he fabricated. The fabricated crisis is the hallmark of the Bush presidency. To attain goals that he had set for himself before he took office -- the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, the privatization of Social Security -- he concocted crises where there were none.

So Iraq became a clear and present danger to American hearths and homes, bristling with weapons of mass destruction, a nuclear attack just waiting to happen. And now, this week, the president is embarking on his second great scare campaign, this one to convince the American people that Social Security will collapse and that the only remedy is to cut benefits and redirect resources into private accounts.

*Emphasis added.

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Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war.
~ohn Adams

Once again the Bush Administration is worse than I had imagined, even though I thought I had already taken account of the fact that the Bush administration is invariably worse than I can imagine.
~Brad DeLong

You're just babbling incoherently.
~C. Montgomery Burns

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Lee
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God, what a laugh. But what do they care? It worked. Bush has his two-term Presidency, which by the standards of his followers therefore counts as a successful one. What do they care about posterity? It's now common knowledge that the American people were lied to over the Vietnam War (in particular, and the entire Cold War in general) and many other things, yet most people's attitudes haven't changed from since thos events were taking place.

So the war took place because Saddam had WMDs and the will and opportunity to use them. But instead we found out that it was because he used to have WMDs, wouldn't mind getting some more and would use them if he ever got them. Plus he was in breach of UN resolutions, never mind that the US and UK couldn't even rustle up a resolution to support the invasion. And we've freed the Iraqi people and brought them democracy, and the towelheads aren't even grateful!

This is why I've lost any interest in politics. Blair is unbeatable and will remain so until after he's made sure that Brown can never become Leader. I'm not even surfe if I'll bother to vote this time. . .

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So maybe they're in...Iran, Saudi Arabia... Canada?

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Veers
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Damn it...36 US soldiers killed on this day alone. And the President just finished a news conference on how optimistic he is about Iraq and his second term.

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Lee
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Optimistic? Of course he's bloody optimistic. He's already accomplished his main goal, to win a second term and therefore attain the status of Not A Failure Like His Dad. He can kick back and relax now. His rich friends will get even richer, he'll get loads of board memberships when his term ends, what more does he want?

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Jason Abbadon
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Yeah, I saw that as well.
Peter Jennings speculated that the president might not have been briefed on the deaths prior to the conference- the press corps either for that matter (thus the conspicuous absense of it as a topic).

Frontline last night, was on the growing number of Al Queida cells being uncovered in western europe and their plans (the ones uncovered so far) were fucking nightmareish.
It also detailed how easy it is for cells to enter and exit most european countries.
Frontline spoke with some muslim leaders in Great Britan that make Bin Laden seem rational and peaceful by comparison.

Then I saw yet another report on the sudanese muslims happily slaughtering their own (non-muslim) countrymen.

Like it or not, the extremists are forcing a divide in society between Muslims and everyone else.

PBS is a real downer lately....but at least they're telling the story.

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