Last year I told Spike that I'd scan some articles on the Trek movie costumes that I had in my filing cabinet. I just did the first one, which appeared in Fantastic Films magazine in early 1980 ) I believe.
The article in question is seven pages long and is primarily about the costumes for the aliens in the film, and talks about the costume materials used and a little bit about each race.
Cool, thanks for sharing this with us. Not to sound greedy, but you got anymore more material from back issues of Fantastic Films and Starlog?
I am still kicking myself for letting myself get talked into getting rid of my old issues of Fantastic Films and Starlog when I was relocating to another state. Alas.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
i bought a couple cases of old Starlogs a couple summers ago.. flipping through them was a blast, reliving the 70s and 80s of genre fiction, but not a helluva lot was relevant tothe Trek universe.. i think my favorite find was a pic of Jane Wiedlin in her Cmdr Trillya makeup, i never got around to scanning it, hope i can dig it up soon.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Oooh! Great stuff. They did put a ridiculous amount of effort in those TMP aliens, didn't they? Because in reality, they're almost unidentifiable on-screen.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Could you please scan the article about the TMP uniforms as well?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: i bought a couple cases of old Starlogs a couple summers ago.. flipping through them was a blast, reliving the 70s and 80s of genre fiction, but not a helluva lot was relevant tothe Trek universe.. i think my favorite find was a pic of Jane Wiedlin in her Cmdr Trillya makeup, i never got around to scanning it, hope i can dig it up soon.
Oooo...yes please...
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
I'll scan and post whatever I can find. Mind you, it's not a fast process, because to make those images readable and not make them even huger than they are now, I did a lot of cleaning up and processing so they'd compress better.
What I did with my old Starlogs, etc., was pull out the pages of the articles I found of interest and made a file folder of them.
At a glance I see two other articles on Trek Movie costuming. I'll see if I can scan them over the weekend.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
I like the Vulcan on page 3. She is pretty and her costume is fantastic. I think this look is more natural to the Vulcans than the cat suit worn by T'Pol. I do believe we did see a Vulcan commander in DS9 who wore robes.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
You may be thinking of the captain of the Vulcan ship T'Vran in the first seasons "Vortex".
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
I am.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
no kidding...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Is there any chance of making more detailed (color) scans of those alien/costume portraits?
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Is there any chance of making more detailed (color) scans of those alien/costume portraits?
Since all but two pages are in black and white, I'd say no.
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
I have Lincoln Enterprise's "TMP Behind the Scene ...or something" cards. All color scans!
Hey, the Arcturian Clones look to be wearing a leathery version of the TMP uniform with red arm-bands and military decoration.
They have the 'monitor' on the front of the uniform and the delta symbol on their tops. And the things that go over the shoulders that appear on some of the TMP uniforms.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
According to the interview from the first post, those were the only truly military uniforms.
So either this is from some local Arcturian military organization, or... the Federation army.
Given the emblem though, I'd say they're with some Arcturian infantry division (perhaps not an active one, but some kind of tradition).
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
I read somewhere that the idea was that the Arcturan clones were to actually be the Federation's army, so (provided I ever recall the source of that) one could argue that it is indeed an army uniform, at least for the Arcturan branch of the service.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
That comes from Bob Fletcher's notes. They were paraphrased in the Magazine last year.
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
Amazing. Those rare uniforms are so rare that I've never seen the photo. If it wasn't for the Hanibal Lechter masks on the males I would have taken them for spaceline pilots/attendants.
The logo on the arm is the same one Kirk had on that parka he wore in TWOK. Since these folks look to be police of some kind, I now know that my feeling it didn't belong on Kirk's arm was well founded.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by aridas: The logo on the arm is the same one Kirk had on that parka he wore in TWOK. Since these folks look to be police of some kind, I now know that my feeling it didn't belong on Kirk's arm was well founded.
That same logo appears in the Star Trek Peel Off Graphics Book and is labeled San Francisco Sky Tram Port. Based on the logo, one could assume it's the logo for transit authority in the Sol System:
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
How to avoid the YATI in ST2, then?
Perhaps the heavy parkas in ST2 were not actually NCC-1701 items, but on loan from some Sol pilot cutter that had problems with cabin temperature?
Perhaps the logo actually denotes the Sol system sub-branch of Starfleet, including its local defense forces, installations and institutes? This *would* make some limited sense, perhaps be the successor of the globe symbol from the TOS pilots.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
According to Mr. Fletcher's notes, it's the Sol System - Earthbase shoulder patch.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
They could be just helmets of course.. but it also reminds me of this alien from STVI.
The uniforms would work for a civilian transport authority, were it not for ST2.
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry:
They could be just helmets of course.. but it also reminds me of this alien from STVI.
Yes, they are same helmets.
Probably, alien helmet was re-painted metalic grey.
quote:Originally posted by aridas: The logo on the arm is the same one Kirk had on that parka he wore in TWOK. Since these folks look to be police of some kind, I now know that my feeling it didn't belong on Kirk's arm was well founded.
That same logo appears in the Star Trek Peel Off Graphics Book and is labeled San Francisco Sky Tram Port. Based on the logo, one could assume it's the logo for transit authority in the Sol System:
Well the chick on the left looks like the chick that is standing behind Kirk when the door slides open when he's disembarking from the Sky Tram!!
She's looking at him. I joke about that little bit... like what has Kirk been doing with her on the ride over? Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry:
They could be just helmets of course.. but it also reminds me of this alien from STVI.
The uniforms would work for a civilian transport authority, were it not for ST2.
The chick with the helmet in that pic looks like she has green skin under that helmet.
And that yellow guy looks like he could be an 'updated' Megarite.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: The chick with the helmet in that pic looks like she has green skin under that helmet.
Hmm, Orion dominatrix?! Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The skin around the eyes is painted green, but not around the mouth or no the neck. I'd say it's meant to be paint, not a skin color.
And is that a woman? For some reason, I thought those aliens were guys w/ Kenny G hair.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
OMG! LOL!
"Halt! We are visitors from Kenny IV - a G-type planet orbiting a G-type star. Observe our outlandish hair-styles and pompus musical performances!"
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
If they had known that only a handful of these aliens and uniforms could only be glimpsed in the final movie, they probably woulnd't have bothered with them. So WHY did they put such an enormous amount of manpower, money and effort into these aliens and uniforms?
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
They had a big budget on this picture back in 1979, and they spent a lot on make-up and special effects. So Robert Fletcher had the money and time to develop the make-up and backstory of the aliens.
In my opinion, they also probably thought that it was a good way to generate excitement for the movie before it opened and get more publicity in magazines. More cool photos to print, more interesting stories to write, more publicity that the studio doesn't have to pay for.
I seem to remember at the time that a magazine like Omni, sorry I don't remember exactly it was 24 years ago, had on its cover in large letters:
"Spock's Planet: An Exclusive Look"
And the photos were publicity photos taken at the Yellowstone National Park geyser shoot with Nimoy in Spock robes and wig and that large head from the statue.
Not that it mattered that we saw it in "Amok Time".
I also remember my excitement at thumbing through the Starlog, Fantastic Films, and Famous Monsters magazines for any photos for the upcoming ST:TMP.
Can you imagine a time when you only had the original series and the animated series?
There was a lot of pent up demand for a new Star Trek, and the release of big-budget science fiction films were more of an event then. Well maybe it was because I was a pre-teen back then.
Also there was no Internet then, which today distributes a lot of publicity photos, or a fan community with image scanners sharing images.
Question by the way, was any of the make-up, or Bob Fletcher's notes, originally developed for use on Star Trek: Phase II? Sorry, I lost my copy of The Making of Star Trek: The Motion Picture during a move many years ago, and I can't remember if all this work was done exclusively for the film.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Triton: They had a big budget on this picture back in 1979, and they spent a lot on make-up and special effects. So Robert Fletcher had the money and time to develop the make-up and backstory of the aliens.
And you never know what the director is going to want to shoot. The costume and makeup people where told there's be a tram station fullof humans and aliens, but generally they wouldn't know what exactly the director would shoot. Wise could have asked for a tracking shot through the throngs of aliens and ending up on Kirk's shuttle or something. Woe be to the makeup and costime people who weren't ready for such an eventuality in a major motion picture!
quote:Question by the way, was any of the make-up, or Bob Fletcher's notes, originally developed for use on Star Trek: Phase II? Sorry, I lost my copy of The Making of Star Trek: The Motion Picture during a move many years ago, and I can't remember if all this work was done exclusively for the film.
I don't think so. Fletcher was hired for TMP and did no work on Phase II. I'd have to check, but I though they were going to use William Ware Theiss and Fred Phillips again for costumes and makeup on Phase II.
Posted by Middy Seafort (Member # 951) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron:
quote:Originally posted by Triton: Question by the way, was any of the make-up, or Bob Fletcher's notes, originally developed for use on Star Trek: Phase II? Sorry, I lost my copy of The Making of Star Trek: The Motion Picture during a move many years ago, and I can't remember if all this work was done exclusively for the film.
I don't think so. Fletcher was hired for TMP and did no work on Phase II. I'd have to check, but I though they were going to use William Ware Theiss and Fred Phillips again for costumes and makeup on Phase II. [/QB]
If memory serves, and according to the Reeves-Stevens Phase II book, William Ware Theiss was the costume designer on the aboarted series. For whatever reason, which I don't think has been fully explained he wasn't used for the movie. I know that Bob Wise felt that the brash and bold colors of the original show were a bit too much for a serious science-fiction film.
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Not to sound greedy, but you got anymore more material from back issues of Fantastic Films and Starlog?![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Alas.
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I have Lincoln Enterprise's "TMP Behind the Scene ...or something" cards.![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Yes, they are same helmets.