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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

In this VOY episode, we get a nice history lesson about Ares 4, a Mars mission from NASA in 3032 (I think).
Some facts:
-Ares 4 has got 3rd generation ion-propulsion
-Emergency ships came a few weeks after the Ares disappeared (either they got from Earth to Mars in that time, or they had another ship in the vicinity)
-Voyager is equipped with Class 2 shuttles
-Seven downloaded over 60 teraquad of information from the Ares, on a single tricorder!

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

In this VOY episode, we get a nice history lesson about Ares 4, a Mars mission from NASA in 3032 (I think).

That will probably be 2032.

-Seven downloaded over 60 teraquad of information from the Ares, on a single tricorder!

Ouch, that much??!

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Posted by 95munrocc on :

I could be wrong as i have not seen the episode but the year 3032? Isn�t Voyager set in the 2370's?
Oh i didn't see that last message before I posted this one so just pretend its not here

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

We also know the Ares IV was over Mars in October 2032, since they were talking about the October Classic, The World Series

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

I definetely meant 2032, it was just a slip-of-the-keyboard.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

She didn't HAVE to download it into her tricorder. She could have had an uplink to the Flyer going, so the data went straight there. Of course, we know that a quad can't be that much now, since by 2032, our data storage capacity for a ship that size will probably be in the low petabytes.

I take that back. That'd just take two or three thousand credit-card sized devices NOW. You could fit that in a ship that size, easily.

Any guesses as to what LIDAR stands for?

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Light detection and ranging?

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Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :

Radar using laser light instead of radio waves.

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Regarding the data storage capacity of Ares IV, remember that it wouldn't have Intel Inside. Instead, it would be built on those futuristic processors pirate-copied by Henry Starling, and on hardware designed to support these processors. So any figures for data storage capability would only have to be consistent with "Future's End", not with the real world.

LIDAR is currently used for a variety of devices, from simple rangefinders (like the one the shuttle used for docking with Mir) to high-resolution imaging devices that can spot power lines for low-flying helicopters. Sounds like a plausible piece of technobabble for the Ares ship. I'm less convinced about the ion engines - real-world ones would be low-thrust, high-endurance devices and unlikely to allow a rescue mission from Earth in a mere week.

..And also unlikely to justify the "Space Seed" idea that advances in propulsion at this rough era had made cryosleep unnecessary. Never mind what Earth was doing with cryosleep in the 2030s, it apparently either hadn't made the significant propulsion upgrade yet (if the ion engines are like the things we think they would be) or were indeed using super-duper engines (in which case calling them ion engines is bad technobabble - a nonsense word like "phion engine" would be better).

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

There is a species of ion propulsion that's a bit speedier than that of the DS1 probe. I was reading about it at Scientific American's site, so I'll see if I can dig up the article. Anyway, they're apparently powerful enough to serve as reaction thrusters on satellites.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

*waiting for someone to make a typo and turn it into the "Arse 4"*

Anyway... Why would "Future's End" have any bearing on "One Small Step"? They aren't in that timeline. The timeline of OSS would be the normal Trek one, which was restored at the end of FE. As far as anything but FE is concerned, Henry Starling was never anything more than a hippie, who might have ended up doing some computer work later on. But the whole Chronowerx thing never happened (anymore), since the timeline was restored. The only thing that stayed around was the Holodoc's mobile emitter, since the Voyager wasn't restored to its original condition along w/ the timeline.

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Posted by 95munrocc on :

But was the time line restored? I thought that the events in "Futures End" still happened. Because if you remember the Captain of the time ship said (in a latter episode) that he spent some time in the 20th century and that he needed therapy when he left. Which he blamed the crew of Voyager for. If the events of FE never happened how did he spend time in the 20th century?

Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

If this is yet another one of those Time Travel eps, I have basically given up all hope for Voyager. Too many screws with the timeline, and though they TRY to explain it, it brings up more questions. I've given up trying to put it all together.......

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

No, OSS is no timetraveler, thank God

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Posted by TerraZ on :

Nope, I'm 99% sure the timeline wasn't restored. Remember Janeway saying something about "this is all part of our history!" Besides, that the whole episode as a predestination paradoxe. The explosion causes Voy and the Timeship to go in the past, Starling steals the timeship and uses it to go in the future, causing the explosion in the first place.

Except, since where in Voyager, Janeway conveniently avoids the paradox in the end by blasting Starling, making our predestination paradox an almost-predestination one.

Makes sense? No? Don't worry, let's explain it the old-fashioned Voyager way by all repeating : "It gives me a headache" or "It's too complicated for you to understand".

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I'm pretty sure the timeline was restored. Remember that Braxton didn't know Janeway at the end? Granted, he did know her in "Relativity", but that can be explained by some sort of advances in temporal technology. Obviously they had ways to deal w/ people from separate timelines together. Perhaps the "Relativity" Braxton had met his "Future's End" self at some point...

Posted by TerraZ on :

Braxton didn't know her, because he was from an alternate future. The entire timeline up to just before the "Temporal Explosion" (gotta love those threatening plot device) has always been the same. Starling and the Aeon crashing on Earth are part of it.

Once Janeway blew up the Aeon, there was no Temporal Explosion and Braxton never got in a fit of rage to destroy Voyager.

I can't speak for the writers, but I see it like this:

When Voyager encounters the Aeon, there has been an explosion in the 20th century caused by Braxton. That means it's already part of normal history. The only difference in the end is that 29th century Earth will survive.

Also, at no point did Janeway talk about restoring the timeline, has if she had acknowledged the fact Starling was part of her history.

However, the catch is, by blowing the Aeon (instead of letting it go, which caused the big boom), Voyager slightly changed its own past. So at the end of the episode, Voyager would normally BE in an alternate timeline. However, I assume here that any change in the past drastically changes the future (the chaos theory). Still following?

But we all know that the writers don't see it like this. Remember "Trials and Tribble-lations" where Sisko and the others interfered, changing the original timeline without any problem. If we hadn't seen that they weren't there before (in "The trouble with Tribbles") it would have a predestination paradox. As for now, I just don't know anymore...

On a side note, I would like to reiterate my hatred of the Federation Temporal Police, the temporal "Reintegration", the ever-self-contradicting paradoxes and the fact that Time Travel is that easy. If I were to have my way, I'd have about 3 or 4 time travel stories in the whole series, and good ones like "Yesterday's Enterprise", "Future's End" (Yes, I did like it, unlike the sequel "Relativity"), "Year of Hell" and the one with the Polaric Ion Explosion.

You'll notice that even though in some of those instances there are unresolved paradoxes, the story is generally good enough to ignore thoses issues. Which isn't the case in "Relativity" in my opinion.

Oh slag, I gotta learn to write shorter posts...

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Relativity Blew!!! Basically the only thing I liked about it was the new uniforms. IMO, no episode has done more to harm the Trek story arc than "Relativity", except for "Threshold".

I mean, we see 400 years into the future. Therefore, any threat to the Federation between now and then is kindof anti-climactic. We know they will survive in some way, shape or form. There are SO many continuity errors (In "The Visitor" DS9, Dax said they had done away with 2-D consoles by the early 25th century just to name one). The plot line is simply set way too far in the future and Time Travel seems way too easy (although I will still argue that the Relativity is probably a semi-unique ship and that time travel is still not the order of the day for all Fleet ships. After all, according to the ded plaque, there have been 8 Relativities...). This story line has turned time travel into a silly plot contrivance, unlike quality temporal eps like "Yesterday's Enterprise" TNG.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Well, I'd have to disagree about continuity errors. It's just one future, after all. The very existance of such a temporal patrol suggests that things can change, else why bother to patrol?

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Posted by TerraZ on :

Well, the simple fact that they used the idea twice seems to suggest that Trek's future will be very close to that. Of course, if they were to make a series in the 29th century, they'd probably dismiss it on the spot.

I prefer my time travel subtle, sparse and with a touch of tragedy .

By the way, maybe we should start a thread with this. Who here thinks the timeline was restored at the end of "Future's End" and why? Same challenge to those who think it was not.

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