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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [QB] One things for certain- becoming torturers and terrorists [i]ourselves[/i] is not going to make us any safer. Consider that over 10,000 people detained by U.S. forces (in Iraq/Afghanistan) have been released as not having anythng to do with terrorism. Now consider what would happen if interrogators were given a free hand to torture for information and were pressured to get results... It's just what Saddam's police did to get "confessions"...they always get whatever they were looking for. Even if the victim did nothing. You want a better method of preventing future attacks without resorting to torturing prisoners? First- do what we set out to do: catch Bin Laden, cush Al Queda, install a democratic government in Afghanistan and eliminate the taliban for good. [i]Those[/i] were the post 9/11 goals. Second- recruit/hire/train locals to be our much-needed "human intel" against terrorists. Third- work to make the lives of the adverage people (read: poorest) over there better. Terrorist organizations get their support by blaming the terrible conditions people live in on the West (the U.S. in particular). All our current intel in Iraq/Afghanistan comes from people that have been helped by US forces and want to live without fear. Once we show the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan that we are not there to oppress, occupy or steal their oil, we'll get a lot more cooperation from them against terrorists. Every time a case of US soldiers torturing someone comes to light, the adverage person says "they're just as bad as the terrorists" and [i]that's[/i] whay they want us the fuck out of their country(s)...and why so many new terrorists are being recruited each day. We cant buy off terrorists, but we sure as hell cant become terrorists either. Bush revealed that those secret CIA prisons used "alternative methods" of getting information and that "many terror plots were foiled as a result". But he did not say what information was gained, how it was gained or what "plots" were foiled. National Security, you understand- just trust him! Reading the newspapers today, it sure does not seem like the prot...er..."alternative methods" used resulted in much success- Iraq and Afghanistan are more violent than ever and the biggest terror plot stopped all year was foiled by the British police. Somehow, torture des not seem to be the answer we need. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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