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Baloo
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...Also happens to be one very few people seem to be familiar with, despite the fact that it is in the Bill of Rights:



Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Basically, it means that just because some rights are spelled out, this does not mean that these are all there is.

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Omega
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I like the tenth ammendment better:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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Now YOU sound like the OLD DT I remember. Very "states' rights."

Funny, that. I'll have to remember to ask about that.

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Omega
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Well, then the old DT had some good ideas. Centralized power should be at bare minimum. NASA and the Military are the only national government programs that I can think of that couldn't be better handled at a state, local, or corporate level.

As for the new DT, no comment.

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Actually, I think the US military is too large and cumbersome, and having state-level militaries would be more appropriate. Those in the military wouldn't have to go very far from their homes except in the event of a war, and if there were a war, only those states who want to participate would be required to. California's military (or whichever) would think twice about getting involved in conflicts that don't concern it (Vietnam, Serbia, etc.), but in the event of another major World War, most states would be willing to fight.

I also wouldn't mind some independent walled cities. Nothing beats that for self-government.

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Jay the Obscure
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[begin sarcasm]

Why don't we just raze Washington, forgo the benefits of living in a society and go back to living in caves? We have lost of guns to defend ourselves against some sort of organized despot like we all know Bill Clinton is.

[end sarcasm]

However I found this to be quite interesting. From the evil ACLU.

And this one as well from a great source, FindLaw.

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Elim Garak
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What's the point of having no centralised military/government programs? Isn't that a major reason why it happens to be called the "United States of America"?

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Yes, but I'm not so sure the "United" part is working especially well.

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Are you trolling for a reason, Frank?

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Huh? I want to live in an independent city-state. Is that too much to ask?

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Why don't you move to Litchtenstien, then?

Just what do you think would happen if the federal government disolved? After the manifold wars between former states to see who got to keep the nuclear technology, that is. The individual states wouldn't be able to defend themselves. And before you say that they could form alliances, that's what we're supposed to have now that's spun out of control.

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I want more options, though!

I'm not talking about the elimination of the federal government, I'm just talking about a decentralised military and the removal of some regions from that government.

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bryce
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RE: ACLU link

*Does not remember being taught freedom of privacy!*

Does anyone remember that the Constitution says there shall be no establishment of a religion?

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I'm not familiar with the American constitution (I'm Canadian) but where exactly does it say that?

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Baloo
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The Bill of Rights refers to the first 10 amendments of the U.S. Constitution. Here's a link to the National Archives and Records Administration Bill of Rights main page.

--Baloo

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