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Jay the Obscure
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Frank, I'm not really sure what you mean by "keeping with the politial standards of the time" when those political standards are leading you to the road to oblivion.

1929

  • Herbert Hoover becomes President. Hoover is a staunch individualist but not as committed to laissez-faire ideology as Coolidge.
  • More than half of all Americans are living below a minimum subsistence level.
  • Annual per-capita income is $750; for farm people, it is only $273.
  • Backlog of business inventories grows three times larger than the year before. Public consumption markedly down.
  • Freight carloads and manufacturing fall.
  • Automobile sales decline by a third in the nine months before the crash.
  • Construction down $2 billion since 1926.
  • Recession begins in August, two months before the stock market crash. During this two month period, production will decline at an annual rate of 20 percent, wholesale prices at 7.5 percent, and personal income at 5 percent.
  • Stock market crash begins October 24. Investors call October 29 "Black Tuesday." Losses for the month will total $16 billion, an astronomical sum in those days.
  • Congress passes Agricultural Marketing Act to support farmers until they can get back on their feet.
1930
  • By February, the Federal Reserve has cut the prime interest rate from 6 to 4 percent. Expands the money supply with a major purchase of U.S.
    securities. However, for the next year and a half, the Fed will add very little money to the shrinking economy. (At no time will it actually pull money out of the system.) Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon announces that the Fed will stand by as the market works itself out: "Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate real estate… values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up the wreck from less-competent people."
  • The Smoot-Hawley Tariff passes on June 17. With imports forming only 6 percent of the GNP, the 40 percent tariffs work out to an effective tax of only 2.4 percent per citizen. Even this is compensated for by the fact that American businesses are no longer investing in Europe, but keeping their money stateside. The consensus of modern economists is that the tariff made only a minor contribution to the Great Depression in the U.S., but a major one in Europe. (More)
  • The first bank panic occurs later this year; a public run on banks results in a wave of bankruptcies. Bank failures and deposit losses are responsible for the contracting money supply.
  • Supreme Court rules that the monopoly U.S. Steel does not violate anti-trust laws as long as competition exists, no matter how negligible.
  • Democrats gain in Congressional elections, but still do not have a majority.
  • The GNP falls 9.4 percent from the year before. The unemployment rate climbs from 3.2 to 8.7 percent.
1931
  • No major legislation is passed addressing the Depression.
  • A second banking panic occurs in the spring.
  • The GNP falls another 8.5 percent; unemployment rises to 15.9 percent.
1932
  • This and the next year are the worst years of the Great Depression. For 1932, GNP falls a record 13.4 percent; unemployment rises to 23.6 percent.
  • Industrial stocks have lost 80 percent of their value since 1930.
  • 10,000 banks have failed since 1929, or 40 percent of the 1929 total.
  • About $2 billion in deposits have been lost since 1929.
  • Money supply has contracted 31 percent since 1929.
  • GNP has also fallen 31 percent since 1929.
  • Over 13 million Americans have lost their jobs since 1929.
  • Capital growth investments have dropped from $16.2 billion to 1/3 of one billion since 1929.
  • Farm prices have fallen 53 percent since 1929.
  • International trade has fallen by two-thirds since 1929.
  • The Fed makes its first major expansion of the money supply since February 1930.
  • Congress creates the Reconstruction Finance Corporation.
  • Congress passes the Federal Home Loan Bank Act and the Glass-Steagall Act of 1932. (More)
  • Top tax rate is raised from 25 to 63 percent.
  • Popular opinion considers Hoover's measures too little too late. Franklin Roosevelt easily defeats Hoover in the fall election. Democrats win control of Congress.
  • At his Democratic presidential nomination, Roosevelt says: "I pledge you, I pledge myself, to a new deal for the American people."

from http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/Timeline.htm#BackSmootHawley

Hoover followed a valid course of action? No, I don't think he did.

Political philosophy lies at the heart of the argument, and political philosophy since the time of the Progressives maintains that the Federal government have some regulatory role over business.

[ August 13, 2001: Message edited by: Jay the Obscure ]



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*points out that Omega's home state would be a large pile of dust and emptiness were it not for the TVA*

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Malnurtured Snay
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da_Bang: as I pointed out in my post, the Hoover Dam was originally the Boulder Dam. The Boulder Dam was renamed the Hoover Dam in 1946 by the then Republican controlled Congress.

The only good thing to come out of Tennessee was Al Gore. But I think the country music industry also comes out of Tennessee, so I'd be willing to negate Al Gore if it meant no country music. As a bonus, we'd get rid of Omega, too.

Speaking of which, FDR also led the Democratic Party when African-Americans began leaving the Republican Party (which they'd stuck with loyally since Lincoln). And, for all the talk that Republicans do about Democrats "inventing" character assassination, they tend to forget that the GOP invented the stuff:

* Eleanor had given FDR gonorrhea, which she had contracted from an African-American

* she was going to Moscow to learn unspeakable sexual practices

* Roosevelt was descended from Dutch Jews who had changed their names (never accuse the Republican Party of the 1930's of being tolerant ... )

Thankfully, Roosevelt didn't respond in kind. He was only interested in results, and he did in fact get them. He won the election with over 60% of the vote, only failing to carry Vermont and Maine (someone later suggested they be sold to Canada to balance the budget).

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Omega
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Hey, now TVA was a good idea. The government putting people to work was certainly the way to go. But Social Security, Medicare, and all manner of other flawed programs? DUMB. They show a total lack of knowledge of the economy.

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Malnurtured Snay
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Oh my god. Omega just said something nice about a liberal program. Wow. I'm just ... shell shocked. Oh, wait, CNN just reported it is freezing over in hell.

Or maybe it just has to do with its effect on Tennessee. Or, as it's called: motivated self-interest.

Anyway ... Omega, you do realize, of course, that while social-security and medicare were certainly not conservative positions of the 1930's, they are very much conservative positions of the modern Republican Party? Once again making it clear to everyone, that Omega is not living in the (to quote Capt. Rachel Garrett) "here and now."

Which is clearly where everyone should live.

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Omega
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No, it's NOT a modern conservative position. It's a modern REPUBLICAN position. You still don't get that I'm not a Republican, do you?

You go with what works. Medicare and Social Security don't work. Therefore, we get rid of them, your trite statements about such things being modern notwithstanding.

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oops

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quote:
No, it's NOT a modern conservative position. It's a modern REPUBLICAN position. You still don't get that I'm not a Republican, do you?

If my cat were to tell me he wasn't really a cat, I'd nod, and say "of course you're not", but I'd just be telling him what he'd want to hear.

Despite the delusions my cat might have in the hypothetical scenario above, he's still a cat, and you're still a partisan fundementalist Republican.

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Um, I think that if Omega is saying that he doesn't necessary agree 100% with a political party, and gives arguments that support this assessment, then he is correct.
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Omega
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Frank, you may not post much, but your posts make sense. Thanks for that bit of rationality.
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Hm.. hmm. he-he-heheheheheheheh!

How some people can say that the US being isolationist is SOOOOOOOOO bad, and at the same time hold that every time the US gets involved in something, it's SOOOOOOOOOO bad, remains beyond my comprehension.

Admit it. You only want us when we're paying YOUR dues, pushing or keeping the folks you don't like (Communists, Fascists, )out of your countries, or cleaning up the messes made by your sloppy country-building (Yugoslavia) or former colonialism (Rwanda, The Middle East, etc, etc.). After that's done, it's "why don't you go back where you came from, you imperialist creeps, and while you're at it, adopt OUR policies!"

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Malnurtured Snay
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Rob,

Nice rant, but, er, you're off topic.

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Plus you make that exact same rant every month anyway. Are you cutting and pasting it?

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I haven't made that rant in at least two months.

Which doesn't make it any less true.

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