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Well, yes, but you have to cut the stick of butter first...
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Didn't ancient Rome have this problem?
One is intentionally good, but can be used for evil. One is intentionally evil but can be used for good. Fundamentially different.
An inanimate object can neither be good or evil, regardless of the intended purpose when it was designed. We've been over this.
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Much like skinning an animal, which a human is...
Damn, you are a barbarian....
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I'm really not following your logic. But when you are arguing with someone who has apparently convinced himself that the primary purpose behind most gun designs is NOT to kill things, then I don't see what point there is in anything.
And ignoring knives (which are either primarily weapons or eating devices, or half way), and baseball bats (which have been used as weapons by many), I'm still not sure how you're equating a gun with a camera. I have yet to hear of any large scale riots where people were battered to death with Kodaks.
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Just a jumble of random thoughts here, not really directed at anybody in particular:
And yet cameras and the pictures they have taken have created situations that have nearly started WW3 on several occasions.
Used in particular ways, it's clear that a camera can destroy lives just as effectively as a bullet. It just does so in a different manner.
Take for example the aftermath of the Rodney King beating a decade ago. A camera had nothing to do with that, right?
The problem with the camera metaphor is that the Major Purpose of a gun is to kill or wound people. The Major Purpose of a camera is to take pictures. That's the inconsistancy giving the analogy a greasy taste to some of you.
Side-stepping this by saying things like "But you could use a gun as a paperweight so your Hustler collection won't blow away" is just silly, because it's obvious that while you could use it for that, that is not what it was made for at the slave factory. It's a kind of semantic obfuscation, and I think it's dishonest.
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I'd like to point out that there's no way one can successfully utilize the term "semantic obfuscation" without it sounding all naughty-like.
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quote:An inanimate object can neither be good or evil, regardless of the intended purpose when it was designed.
*Sigh*
"Intended purpose" is what this argument is all about.
quote:And yet cameras and the pictures they have taken have created situations that have nearly started WW3 on several occasions.
Ironically enough, those cameras are the property of the U.S. military.
quote:The problem with the camera metaphor is that the Major Purpose of a gun is to kill or wound people.
That is, unless you are fortunate enough to live in Omega's or First of Two's little world.
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They use their guns to masturbate. Except Omega doesn't own one, so he uses his father's.
Guns ARE built to kill. Pretending otherwise is stupid. No one says they AREN'T around to kill. They're built to kill and to do so very effectively with the assorted varieties of ammunition. What the gun is used for -- mowing down innocents in a resteraunt, or shooting down intruders -- makes people like or dislike it, not what it is built to do.
Shooting some guy who cuts you off in the middle of traffic isn't an appropriate use of a gun. Some guy kicks in your door and points a shotgun at you, that's a different story. It's all about how and for what you use a gun for. If guns themselves were evil, we'd be disarming the police & the military ...
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Jeff, are you ever going to get off of this boat called ALLNEWBIESMUSTDIE? It's not making anyone think you have a bigger penis (and nor is this sudden urge to kill deer with a gun, rather than a vehicle).
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