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And the soundtrack IMHO was one of the best in any Trek movie
Hang on. This movie had a soundtrack? I must have missed it.
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Everyone I have talked to loved the soundtrack. Hang on, I think I know what's going on. Possibly TPTB released a crappy version of Nemesis for the U.S. audiences: without soundtrack, plot, motive, etc. I suppose THAT'S the REAL reason why Nemesis started so much later here - they had to re-insert all the positive elements for us over here who go to a movie open-minded!!
(Sorry for my sarcasm, but I just feel really angry when reading stupid comments like the one from the last post!)
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quote:Originally posted by Austin Powers: What about the connection to Nemesis? It had a plot, motives and character. I just fail to see the point you're trying to make.
It seems like the writers were like Billy Crystal as the movie exec in "The Critic"--"Plot. What a funny word. PLOT. Plotplotplotplotplotplotplotplot. Nope, never heard of it." Motive? Please. "I'm angry that humnaity never rescued me! They didn't know I existed, but they still should've saved me! Boohoo!" Character? I'm sorry, but if something has turned Picard from being a paragon of composure to one of the two yahoos down at Kill 'N' Spill doing donuts with their F150s in the middle of the rival high school football field, then dammit, that should be addressed. None of this magic shit.
No. This movie was a framing member, that's all. The supposedly "logical jumps" were in fact leaps of faith & fancy bordering on Indy at the lion's head.
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I don't know why everyone seems to be bashing the writing. Writing is not the reason it didn't do so well here in the US. It was the editing which took out the background info for the movie in favor for the action sequences. A bad release date also factored in seeing as The Two Towers opened up half a week later and took over the box office. If it had been released on the original date of around Thanksgiving, it would have done a little better. I think Logan did a wonderful job as a writer. Baird also did well as a director, but did a poor job at editing (along with the other regular editors). I'm just glad the actors themselves enjoyed the movie and the work that went behind in creating it. I enjoyed the movie for it's entertainment value.
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"He's the one that says 'shithead' and you tell me to stop? Okay."
Well, you just said "shithead", too. And now, so did I. You, however, are the one who's being a shithead, and therefore, yes, I tell you to stop.
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@Dat: Thanks. At least one sensible and open-minded cinemagoer.
And if anyone critisizes Picard's behavior in Nemesis as being atypical - well what about First Contact? That movie was received oh so well, but where is the difference between FC and Nemesis?
Picard shooting Reman thugs is atypical behavior! Picard shooting Borg the same way is typical behavior?? WTF?
Come on, if you are biased against Nemesis for no real reason then at least be honest enough to admit to it!
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There is a slight difference. Picard had a personal vendetta with the Borg, which was strong enough to drive even our beloved paragon of composure to hateful action sequences. That was part of the PLOT. It was his MOTIVATION. See? Integral to the story = much better film.
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I agree with Dat in that, yes, the editing left large chunks of gappiness. This is why directors, writers, & editors always need to work together.
A friend of mine is working ona 45-minute screenplay for class & she's having a hard time with it. I told her to go see "Nemesis" even though she's not a Trek fan at all. She did. She said it was awful. Upon that statement, I mentioned that the original filmed script was 3 hours long & that there was nothing that could be edited out that wouldn't leave the movie in shredded tatters. From what I understand, Logan wrote a tight-assed (in the good sense) script, buggy chase not withstanding. But the problem was that it was SO tight that any editing made us go "HUH?"
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I don't know, I haven't been any more impressed with the scenes I've heard about which were cut than the ones left in.
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