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The ears, the forehead, the telepathy, the strength; all exaggerated characteristics of Vulcanoids. It was never stated where the Remans come from, so any theory is just that. Still, the Augment line of reasoning is sound, and much more interesting than having them be just a bunch of locals the Romulans enslaved.
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I see very little if any resemblance between Reman and Romulan foreheads or ears, certainly no more than between a number of other aliens seen in Trek. As for telepathy, there have likewise been many races demonstrating such abilities.
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Well the ears are pointy and the foreheads have that same V shape, so in trek terms that's similar.
Statistically telepathy is rare among Trek species, and it's a bit of a coincidence that the Romulans would just happen to settle right next to a planet of telepaths, right after escaping another one.
Also, at no point, anywhere in Trek is there mention of any other races in the Romulan Empire other than Romulans, up until the Remans showed up in Nemisis, and they're living right there next to the homeworld. More coincidence?
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Perhaps a previously unknown "neanderthal" race of romulans, saved from annihilation unlike their human counterparts because they proved good slaves. The forehead and ears was retained in the later, dominant species. Reman telepathy and muscle strength are good traits, but perhaps the later romulans exhibited higher overall intelligence.
Here's a kicker, perhaps the men under Nero are reman-romulan hybrids. Would make sense since they were originally workers, and it would explain the paleness of their skin. Also, if they come from post-Nemesis 2380's, perhaps they were granted more freedom and privileges under the new senate, before the apocalypse.
Is it plausible that the Federation and Vulcan would tolerate institutionalized slavery in a major world? Well, do we see US forces trying to liberate the "untouchables" that clean the sewers and streets of India? Knope.
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No, Nero's crew was Romulan, there's no reason to think otherwise. Not all Romulans serve in the military, in fact in order for the Empire to work without collapsing or grinding to a halt, only a small percentage can serve in the military. Nero and his crew were Romulan miners, end of.
As for toleration of slavery, that's a whole other discussion, but since you brought it up; Romulus was never a Federation world, so the prime directive applies. They don't have to like it, but they do have to tolerate it. Of course where certain species are concerned, the concept of slavery may not apply. For instance, what if a species like the Gaim from Babylon 5 try to join the Federation? An intelligent and rational insect race dominated and controlled by the queens, each genetically designed to a specific purpose, with no chance of self determination where all drones are forced at a genetic level to be loyal to their Queen, to feel fear when they do not obey and pleasure when they do.
From a human perspective that's a horrific state of affairs, but to an alien race, it's their nature and no amount of pamphlets on democracy and "inalienable human rights" can change that, not in a million years. It's that kind of thing that Star Trek used to be good at but fell off into nice "safe" moral dilemmas that can be wrapped up in 40 mins.
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: No, Nero's crew was Romulan, there's no reason to think otherwise. Not all Romulans serve in the military, in fact in order for the Empire to work without collapsing or grinding to a halt, only a small percentage can serve in the military. Nero and his crew were Romulan miners, end of.
Yes, well, if the Romulans had let their miners (equiped with kilometers-long, Borg-tech equiped super-battleships with an arsenal of torpedos and doomsday drill) they would have conquored the galaxy long ago.
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I once saw a western-movie where mining dynamite was used for something other than mining. It was bizarre to say the least. Also, Starfleet has had WMD-grade tectonic phaser-drilling technology for a long time.
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quote:No, Nero's crew was Romulan, there's no reason to think otherwise. Not all Romulans serve in the military, in fact in order for the Empire to work without collapsing or grinding to a halt, only a small percentage can serve in the military. Nero and his crew were Romulan miners, end of.
That wasn't my point, my point was that the narrative would've allowed it, although it would've pulled too much 2380-lore into the movie. I could see a story for a book with "remulans" as a driving force, though.
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Fine, but that's pure invention. You might as well say Nero was a form locked changeling, there's about as much evidence for that as there is for the crew being "Remulans".
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They were Klingons in disuuise, like that guy from them Tribbles episodes- thus Earth's destruction is blamed on the Romulans (who are in turn wiped out in revenge). Makes more sense than a bunch of miners being psychotically loyal to their captain for 25 years because the guy's wife died. I mean, they surely could have become heroes to all Romulans by warning of the eventual disaster and giving their uber-doomsday ship to the Preator, but a quarter-century revenge trip is sooo much saner.
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: That Borg tech crap is non-canon.
Yes, but that comic-book crap is needed to try to fill plot holes- and now a second series is coming out dealing with Kirk and all that revised history....possibly explaining why he has no older brother?
Really, it's pretty fucking sad that you need a minimum of two comic series to explain shit in a movie.
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To be honest the more I think about the deleted scene on the Klingon prison planet, the more it seems necessary. I think Abrams made a huge mistake not including it since it gave the impression that Nero and crew sat on their asses for 25 years. Also I noticed that the Narada and the Jellyfish arrived at different points in space (in addition to different times);the Narada emerging near a star (Hobus Star?) and the Jellyfish seemingly in the middle of nowhere.
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Well Nero seamed to know in advance where Spock would emerge, so it couldn't have been random. Perhaps in both instances it is actually the same point in space relative to the centre of the universe. How fast is the galaxy moving away from the big bang I wonder?
The Big Bang wasn't an explosion in space, it was an explosion *of* space.
1D analogy: today we live on an expanding rubber ruler; the Milky Way is at the 1cm mark, Andromeda is at the 3cm mark, etc. The ruler is gradually stretching out as time passes; in another billion years they will be 2.5cm apart. Looking back in time, they get closer together. At the Big Bang, the ruler had shrunk to zero length so there was no space between those points. (You have to imagine the ruler has no ends, though. You can pretend the ruler is bent into a loop if that helps.) There is no "middle" of the expansion - it all expands uniformally.
The 2D analogy is usually a balloon, with galaxies being on the surface. It is a 2D world so there is just the surface - east/west and north/south, but no in/out. As the balloon inflates the galaxies on the surface get farther apart since space itself is expanding, but there is no point in the flat universe of the surface that is the center of the expansion.
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quote:Originally posted by Joshua Bell: Tell me you didn't just ask that...
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The Big Bang wasn't an explosion in space, it was an explosion *of* space.
1D analogy: today we live on an expanding rubber ruler; the Milky Way is at the 1cm mark, Andromeda is at the 3cm mark, etc. The ruler is gradually stretching out as time passes; in another billion years they will be 2.5cm apart. Looking back in time, they get closer together. At the Big Bang, the ruler had shrunk to zero length so there was no space between those points. (You have to imagine the ruler has no ends, though. You can pretend the ruler is bent into a loop if that helps.) There is no "middle" of the expansion - it all expands uniformally.
The 2D analogy is usually a balloon, with galaxies being on the surface. It is a 2D world so there is just the surface - east/west and north/south, but no in/out. As the balloon inflates the galaxies on the surface get farther apart since space itself is expanding, but there is no point in the flat universe of the surface that is the center of the expansion.
That's crazy, Josh: everyone knows that God made the universe 6000 years ago, and that carbon dating, astrophysics and rational thought are tools of Satan. Also, the universe revolves around Earth and it is flat.
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