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Am I the only one who laughed out loud when Tucker was up against the hatch of the alien ship and you could clearly see the grain in the plywood that the door is made of? hee hee
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We had the conclusion to a story arc with this episode. The humans and Klingons have settled a debt. Now, the Klingons want nothing more to do with humans. I wonder if humans will ignore this message and do an incredibly stupid thing. Could this be the beginning of the war between these two races?
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Actually, I think this episode lends more credence to the "disasterous first contact" ... the Earthers seem to think it was a success, but the Klingons don't seem to share the same view -- they seem kind of pissed off at the Earthers, actually.
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I was just impressed by how phenomenally stupid Archer is in dealing with the Klingons.... If you aproach a Klingon and say 'Sorry to bother you' the Klingon will be greatly offended that you dont take him seriously enough to present a challenge and fire on you. Now if Archer had approached them and said 'Attention Klingon vessel! You will listen to me now, for I am Jonathan , son of Henry of the House of Archer, friend of the chancellor!" Then decades of war might have been avoided. Maybe. Bt the warfare doesnt start until 2210-2220 so there are probably other reasons
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Uh ... Mike ... they only met the Klingons a short while ago. It's not like Archer can go plug in old episodes of TNG to brush up on what not to do when talking with a Klingon!
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Thats true.. i just know too much about klingons to not be chagrined by how he addressed them.
He should at least watch Galaxy Quest. If he had seen it he would have made sure they checked the pollen out more thoroughly last week "Dont open that!! Is there air out there? Can we breathe!? Do you know?!" And he could ask Phlox where his Thermian accent came from
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I don't think Archer was "stupid" in his dealings with the Klingon ship; I think he is just incredibly inexperienced. Fortunately, T'Pol was there and able to converse with the Klingons in a manner more suited to their culture. I wonder if T'Pol in particular was chosen to be the Vulcan observer aboard Enterprise in "Broken Bow" because she has had prior experience dealing with the Klingons? Perhaps she spend time as an ambassadorial attach� to the Klingon homeworld? Just a thought about that...
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I think he dealt with it the only way he knew how; a guy that is out there wanting to make friends with everyone that he meets; the way he would on his own planet.
Archer really has nothing to base his Xeno-Diplomacy on. He approaced the Klingon the way you would approach another human.
If he had come out and spoken to the klingon as if he already knew how to treat them, it would have annoyed me a little.
And I think that is the precisely the reason T'Pol was put on the Enterprise; tho' I'm not certain they had T'Pol specifically in mind .. only that they ensured a vulcan with travelling-experience was onboard to provide 'guidance'.
As we see here - it is a good case for the Vulcans. I wonder if she'll rub it in his face?
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of course she will.. shes a real bitch, and my least favorite character.
Her reaction to Trip's pregnancy was incredibly insulting. If they ever want to make her into a whole character in my eyes, shes going to have to own up to the fact that shes being irrational and get that chip off her shoulder
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I can understand T'Pol's remarks and behaviors perfectly. The Vulcans have for several decades been more or less repressing the humans. I hate to jump in and claim racism because that's emotional, but she and many of the Vulcans see humans as being inferior. Logically, this is the case because we're possessed of a "volatile temper" and "primal urges." In their eyes, humans are completely illogical and irrational.
Her personal opinions may also derive from her experiences stationed as an ambassador's aide on Earth. It's fairly obvious from Archer, Tucker, and other humans that they don't like the Vulcans. She's probably gotten a good deal of grief from these angry humans and that has reinforced her prior opinions. Tucker's pregnant, pregnancy needs intercourse, humans are governed by primal urges, sex is a primal urge (yeah, baby!), therefore it's reasonable for her to assume that Tucker did the coaxial slipstream with the alien woman. She was definitely wrong, but I can see how the chain of thought went.
She'll definitely be warming up (as far as Vulcans can, I guess). We already saw a brief bit of that at the end of "Broken Bow." We also saw part of her going out to trust Archer (a human) at the ending of "Strange New World." Hell, she and Tucker shared what I thought was a very fleeting moment of understanding.
One of the parts to Enterprise that I'm most excited about is seeing the friendship among Archer, T'Pol, and Tucker development slowly and fully. If the writers screw that up, though, I'll be really ticked off. So far, it looks like its stagnating a bit, but there are plenty of episodes left to watch this. I really felt cheated by Tom and Neelix patching things up after one episode, and Janeway and Chakotay rarely having those conflicts in Voyager.
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