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Unless any of that BS is mentioned in the show, I'm not taking it at face value.
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quote:Work began on a refit using the original Titan space frame, however, with the development of cutting-edge technology, the Titan’s design changed mid-construction and a new ship took form. As per tradition, Starfleet engineers affectionately designated it as a refit, having kept much of the original Titan’s internal components.
What the absolutely incontrovertible mother-loving fuck?
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That… is just utterly nonsensical. They decided to… remove from mothballs, I presume… “refit” a ship that - going by the registry, NCC-1777 (and don’t get me started on that, or that it was apparently the flagship of its day…), must have been built, well, not that long after 2245. So let’s say, an at-least 150 year old spaceframe. So, never mind the presumed century and a half of technological advancements in starship design that’s happened in the meantime. And then pretty-much replace it all anyway. And then give it a new class name despite it having nothing to do with the OG Constitution-class or the refit variant of same. And then keep its original name but give it the registry of another Titan.
And yet… all that sounds completely par for the course where this shower are concerned. And, not gonna lie, it makes the actual criticisms in the two reviews above ring even truer than they did before!
quote:Originally posted by Lee: That… is just utterly nonsensical. They decided to… remove from mothballs, I presume… “refit” a ship that - going by the registry, NCC-1777 (and don’t get me started on that, or that it was apparently the flagship of its day…), must have been built, well, not that long after 2245. So let’s say, an at-least 150 year old spaceframe. So, never mind the presumed century and a half of technological advancements in starship design that’s happened in the meantime. And then pretty-much replace it all anyway. And then give it a new class name despite it having nothing to do with the OG Constitution-class or the refit variant of same. And then keep its original name but give it the registry of another Titan.
And yet… all that sounds completely par for the course where this shower are concerned. And, not gonna lie, it makes the actual criticisms in the two reviews above ring even truer than they did before!
They weren’t talking about the NCC-1777 Titan. They were talking about Riker’s NCC-80102 Titan.
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And makes even less sense.
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Yeah, at least you can look at the Shangri-La Titan and say, yes, I can see how that could be turned into the NeoCon Titan, even though it’s fucking moronic. To say that the Luna Titan could be turned into the NeoCon Titan is… words fail me… imbecilically fucktarded.
quote:Originally posted by Lee: That… is just utterly nonsensical. They decided to… remove from mothballs, I presume… “refit” a ship that - going by the registry, NCC-1777 (and don’t get me started on that, or that it was apparently the flagship of its day…), must have been built, well, not that long after 2245. So let’s say, an at-least 150 year old spaceframe. So, never mind the presumed century and a half of technological advancements in starship design that’s happened in the meantime. And then pretty-much replace it all anyway. And then give it a new class name despite it having nothing to do with the OG Constitution-class or the refit variant of same. And then keep its original name but give it the registry of another Titan.
And yet… all that sounds completely par for the course where this shower are concerned. And, not gonna lie, it makes the actual criticisms in the two reviews above ring even truer than they did before!
The idea of a refit of an ancient ship becoming another ship has precedent in Star Trek: Discovery. That was done for convoluted reasons, but -- as we've seen before in Trek productions -- the specific reasons for a prior thing can get lost when one wants to repeat the thing.
In effect, then, this is a backport-retcon normalizing (and undercutting) the Discovery event.
Also, not only is the refit of the Constartoonish Class Titan renamed and renumbered, but it is also almost twice the size, meaning they had to build all-new parts that slavishly reproduced the appearance of the ship they were turning into a bigger ship, because reasons.
That's per Bernd tweeting with the designer and production designer here:
This is also something with precedent in the newer material, since the Enterprise of the pre-TOS Discovery era is 50% larger than the classic Constitution and the TMP movie refit, despite ostensibly being the same ship.
So as you can see, this is all perfectly normal and plausible. Clearly you just don't like it due to starbase spacedoorkeeping and anti-android bigotry.
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quote: And I liked the ownership of a former Riker command.
So Riker was in command of Titan-A as well?
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Jesus, someone hoof this guy in the crotch. It's bad fanfic gone amok.
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First he made out the Stargazer to be a refit, now the Titan. It’s fucking bizarre frankly. I mean, I realise there are multiple examples of “refits” that stretch credibility - OK, well, at least three anyway: the Constitution obviously, but there are differences between both the D’s (the saucer rim) & E’s (the shifting of the nacelle pylons) various models that could only be explained away as refits, but make no sense in themselves.
The Stargazer could be ignored as him just talking out his arse. I suspect we’ll have to do the same with the Titan… oh no. Suppose he has it said out loud in dialogue? Christ.
quote:Originally posted by Spike: The refit refers to the Luna class
Oy. Besides the fact that's not specified except by the designer, it makes no sense, besides. That'd be like refitting a Constitution into an Intrepid, or vice versa.
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