Topic: Guess who else will be in STX... (Spoilers!!)
Saltah'na
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Wasn't it said that they got home 15 years after the last ep?
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He's not too wrong -- an age of 55 was given in the writers' guide, setting his birth in 2309. Of course, if that were the case, then Picard would've made captain at the age of 24, rather than 28. Blame whoever set Stargazer's destruction as far back as nine years ago, or made Picard command a single ship for 22 years. The revised birthdate from "Conundrum" (13 July 2305) makes Picard about 12 years older than Patrick Stewart.
The writer of "Tapestry" apparently thought this weird as well, and set Picard's graduation thirty years before the episode. Unfortunately, such a timespan is unacceptable given the established timeline. There's no way to correct the age now. Besides, it doesn't matter since McCoy can apparently live to be 137, so I'd expect Picard to manage just fine at 73.
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I never refer to the goddamn encyclopedia.
I was going by the writer's guide, which stated he was 55 in season 1 (2364). And I thought that was what the chronology said too, based on Conundrum. But i am loathe to use either, and dont actually have copies of them in my home.
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The episode establishes birthdates for many of the characters, including 13 July 2305 for Picard, making him 59 in the first season. Besides, we know he was 21 ("Tapestry") when he graduated in "Class of '27", which supports it.
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I really wish someone would explain to me why Picard HAD to have commanded another ship. And throwing the date on which Tasha Yar left her homeworld with him isn't sufficient evidence. Most likely explanation is he had a staff position, look at the Pentagon, a posting there is virtually a requisite for ever making General/Admiral.
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Do you not think Janeway's murder of Tuvix might raise some eyebrows at Starfleet? What about her general "screw going around; we will shoot our way through" attitude about getting home (would the Federation respond kindly when faced with an alien vessel doing the same)? How about her obsession with "U.S.S. Equinox," that involved her torturing an "Equinox" crewman, among other crimes? Perhaps the fact that she is delusional (she told Captain Ransom in "Equinox," quite sincerely (I think), that she never violated the Prime Directive) might concern someone.
Janeway should definately be court-martialed, with, perhaps, the fact that she ultimately brought "Voyager" home serving as her "get out of jail free" card. But she certainly should not be allowed to remain in Starfleet.
(On the other hand, perhaps a promotion to the Admiralty is in order, since so many admirals are delusional, immoral, do-whatever-they-please types.)
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Yes, and why does the Maquis crew get off without a strike against them? They fought an illegal war against the Cardassians, which may well have led to Dukat's decision to overthrow the government.
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Well, I, personally was only pointing out (some of) Janeway's crimes, since there was a debate over how likely it would be for her to receive a promotion (or even stay in Starfleet). However, do the Maquis crew members even have anything to be held accountable for, other than their original "crime" of being Maquis? Sure, the Maquis as a whole was a cause of the Dominion War, but Chakotay, Torres, etc., as far as we know, did not do anything horrific as Maquis members. Indeed, aboard "Voyager," they grew as individuals (even if that growing was into a pussy-whipped yes man), and served productively. Thus, barring any horredous crimes they committed before "Voyager," the Maquis redeemed themselves aboard the ship; "jail time" for them would be punitive and useless. On the other hand, as individuals who resigned from Starfleet (Chakotay), or never graduated from the Academy (Torres, etc.), their Starfleet careers should have ended the day "Voyager" got home.
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I just don't like the idea of Starfleet forgiving them. No matter their intent, they're traitors to Starfleet and the Federation. Give 'em a pardon? Fine. Let em serve in Starfleet? No way.
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Starfleet does let members of "enemy" cultures serve, though. Their cultural background is typically not held against them (possible Admiral Saties aside), unless they participated actively in misdemeanor. And both Worf and Kira were known and unpunished murderers by UFP standards, yet still were given or allowed to retain the uniform. I guess the service is relatively forgiving in its personnel policies, as long as a command-level officer gives a favorable evaluation.
And Janeway would. And her position would be strong, what with her being a high-publicity savior of mankind and all. Starfleet would look really bad if it didn't reward the Maquis, even if that went against its previous principles.
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