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TheWoozle
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If you think about it, for the romulans to leave Vulcan with enough population to start a viable colony, dozen or hundreds of light years away from Vulcan, they HAD to have had a fairly advanced level of technology for some while before the exodus.
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I'm not sure I agree...a handful of modest low-warp ships with a few hundred or thousand dissidents would be a sufficent 'start'.

Just for example, look at "The Ensigns of Command" and the case of the SS Artemis on Tau Cygna V. Although no original numbers were given and there was an unknown number of casualties from their crash -- 1 ship of colonists managed to grow to 15,000 in less than 100 years -- despite complications with radiation exposure.

If a similar case happened with the Romulans -- since their numbers (ie: x to 15,000 in 100 yrs) are growing exponentially, their "colony" would be quite well-established in ~1000 years.

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...Although wouldn't it be interesting to find out that the Romulans actually are a tiny oligarchy of just a few thousand people, ruling their Star Empire and running their starships via Remans and other slave troops, plus a pitiful few elite Romulan field units?

OTOH, Duane described a culture that did not have "well established" starflight, and for that very reason launched people in the hundreds of thousands, in what were really O'Neill colonies with warp engines bolted to their asses. Very little chance of seeing that now... Although name-dropping the Carrizal or S'Harien or the Wretched Root wouldn't hurt. [Smile]

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I wonder if they will mention the Debrune....or rather, remember to mention the fact that the Romulans were not the only Vulcan offshoot to leave Vulcan....that is, thinking back to "Gambit".

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Actually I think it was mentioned that the Debrune were a Romulan offshoot... So a bunch of Vulcans leave, not satisified with the way things are going, and become the Romulans. Then, a bunch of Romulans take off, still not satisified with the way things are going and become the Debrune...

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Barradas III, Dessica II, Calder II, Yadalla Prime, and Draken IV where some of the planets connected to the Debrune, Vulcans and Romulans

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like i said....

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Let's remember that when queried about the possibility of negotiating with the Romulans, Spock said that Vulcan once had a "brutal colonization period". One interpretation is that this period was on planet Vulcan, and Spock was merely pointing out that people like Vulcans are brutal by nature, so Romulans and other Vulcan-looking people must be, too. Flimsy logic IMHO.

The other interpretation is that this colonization period directly resulted in the Romulans and the other offshoot. But Spock is being awfully vague if that's the case.

I'd be happiest if the Romulans indeed were Surak-era secessionists rather than brutal colonists (I admit those aren't mutually exclusive, but still...), and the Debrune and possible others were a continuation of this secessionism, whereas the other offshoot resulted from the brutal pre-Surakian interstellar colonialism. To leave open this possibility, I'd like ENT to concentrate on the Romulans and not nail down the others, even by innocent name-dropping.

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I would rather they focused more on the Orions and Andorians and Tellarites and such...especially with the latter two, I don't see much work towards forging alliances as of late...

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I thought what happened was that as the Romulans travelled, they stopped at the above planets and intermingled with the native populations, introducing their DNA in sufficient quantitities to be detected even centuries later.

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Or as the dissidents travelled along they further splintered off to those other planets, but since the Romulans were the only surviving or most influential of the dissidents that they were known the main group whereas the rest became known their offshoots...I dunno, once its all said and done, it really doesn't matter.

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Hmm.. What if the Romulans where a Penal Colony, like Australia? The Vulcans might have sent them off, to die or colonize, then forgot all about them.

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Suffice to say that on this subject, I dearly hope that ENT dares challenge all the dusty old fan views and assumptions.

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Didn't that happen when TNG went on the air?

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Hey, let's not forget the Mentakans. Another lost colony, descended to medievalism? A seeded world?

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